Throwin Intentional Foul Question

[tophat67]

On a throwin, when the defender fouls the player putting the ball in play, this is an intentional foul as we all know. In this case, does the player throwing the ball inbounds get awarded two free throws?

[Smitty]

Yes

[letemplay]

And if it's an AP throw-in, they keep the arrow? The subsequent throw following the ft's is NOT an AP throw, correct?

[tref]

Correct

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by letemplay

And if it's an AP throw-in, they keep the arrow? The subsequent throw following the ft's is NOT an AP throw, correct?

Yes. It helps to know the penalty for an intentional foul. It is two shots plus a throw-in nearest the spot of the foul. If it was an AP throw-in, then the throw-in would be a Point-of-Interruption throw-in, and the rule clearly states otherwise. So then it can't be an AP TI.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tophat67

On a throwin, when the defender fouls the player putting the ball in play, this is an intentional foul as we all know. In this case, does the player throwing the ball inbounds get awarded two free throws?

If I may ask, what were the other options you were thinking of?

[tophat67]

I was the non-calling referee in this situation. The other referee called the intentional foul, reported it but did not award free-throws. I stopped the game and we talked as I said there should be free throws awarded but he was insistent that there should not be. So we played on without the free-throws and discussed it after the game. So this thread just re-assures me that I was correct. (which I knew I was but got the bull crap "I've been refereeing for 15 years, blah blah blah)

He also called another intentional foul on a play where a girl was holding the ball high, and was swinging her elbows and hit the defender in the face with her elbow. Again, he gave the ball to the other team and did not award free-throws. (incorrect again I told him)

[mbyron]

I was going to say that it sounds as if he might have been confused about A having team control during a throw-in, and ruled that you can't have free throws no matter what kind of foul B commits.

But then you posted the second play. Now it sounds as if he doesn't know the penalty for an intentional foul.

[tophat67]

So you agree that even in the second intentional foul (throwing elbows) the defender should have been awarded free-throws?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by tophat67

So you agree that even in the second intentional foul (throwing elbows) the defender should have been awarded free-throws?

A Player Control foul is a common foul. An Intentional foul cannot be a PC foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tophat67

So you agree that even in the second intentional foul (throwing elbows) the defender should have been awarded free-throws?

The combination of free throws and the throw in is the only thing that distinguishes an intentional foul. Without it, it's just a common foul or a PC foul.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by tophat67

So you agree that even in the second intentional foul (throwing elbows) the defender should have been awarded free-throws?

Yes, of course. The penalty for an intentional foul is always 2 shots and the ball (ignoring a couple irrelevant exceptions).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The combination of free throws and the throw in is the only thing that distinguishes an intentional foul. Without it, it's just a common foul or a PC foul.

Yep. Otherwise what would be the purpose of designating it an IF?