Throw in spot?

[letemplay]

Two man crew working youth AAU game: A has throw in from under own basket and tosses out to top of key area where ball is tipped first by A1 and then recovered by A1 deep in backcourt. Trail whistles for back court call, lead comes to discuss and a correction is made. Where is impending throw in spot?

[Adam]

Where do you put a ball in after an inadvertent whistle?

[letemplay]

Where it was when inadvertent whistle occurred?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Where it was when inadvertent whistle occurred?

Make it a statement instead of a question and you'll be right.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Where it was when inadvertent whistle occurred?

What if the whitsle happens with the ball in middle of flight?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

What if the whitsle happens with the ball in middle of flight?

What's the ball location (I mean the rule defintion of location)?

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

What's the ball location (I mean the rule defintion of location)?

I know the answer, was asking the OP

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by letemplay

Two man crew working youth AAU game: A has throw in from under own basket and tosses out to top of key area where ball is tipped first by A1 and then recovered by A1 deep in backcourt. Trail whistles for back court call, lead comes to discuss and a correction is made. Where is impending throw in spot?

...A has team control, A1 touches the ball in the front court, then chases it down and recovers in the backcourt. Why is this not a backcourt violation?

[APG]

Originally Posted by ga314ref

...A has team control, A1 touches the ball in the front court, then chases it down and recovers in the backcourt. Why is this not a backcourt violation?

This is coming from a throw-in...thus player control must also be established first before you can have a backcourt violation, 10 second count, or 3 second violation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Then by the old, really old, definition, they were between the twenty-eight foot hash mark and the division line. Wait a minute, there is no more twenty-eight foot hash mark. Thank God. Anybody work on a court so old that there are twenty-eight foot hash marks, inbounds, on the playing court?

The mark is required (at least in front of the bench) on college courts (although it's used to mark the coaching box, not for the "lack of action" rule).

Originally Posted by ga314ref

...A has team control, A1 touches the ball in the front court, then chases it down and recovers in the backcourt. Why is this not a backcourt violation?

because it started with a throw-in

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

because it started with a throw-in

...since this is not a scenario from 9-9-3, and has all the elements described in 9-9-1 to be called a BC. Had A1 jumped from the FC to the BC for his initial touch, I'd agree: no BC, but A1 touches the ball "at the top of the key" (ending the throw-in), and then runs and secures the ball in the BC.

This is a backcourt violation.

[APG]

The intent of adding team control during a throw-in is to not award free throws for a foul by the team in control. With regard to everything else during a throw-in, we handle things the EXACT same way as we have before. The wording in the rule is written poorly, but we know what intent was from the NFHS as they have made that clear through official power point slides and their interpretations.

2011-2012 NFHS Basketball Interpretations

SITUATION 4: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her frontcourt. A1’s pass to A2, who is in the frontcourt standing near the free throw line, is high, bounces several times and goes into Team A’s backcourt untouched. A2 is then the first to control the ball in Team A’s backcourt.

RULING: Legal. There is no backcourt violation since player and team control had not yet been established in Team A’s frontcourt before the ball went into Team A’s backcourt. The throw-in ends when A2 legally touches the ball in the backcourt and the backcourt count starts as soon as A2 gains control in his/her backcourt. (4- 12-2d; 9-9)

SITUATION 5: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her frontcourt. A1’s pass to A2, who is in the frontcourt standing near the division line, is high and deflects off A2’s hand and goes into Team A’s backcourt. A2 is then the first to control the ball in Team A’s backcourt.

RULING: Legal. There is no backcourt violation since player and team control had not yet been established in Team A’s frontcourt before the ball went into Team A’s backcourt. The throw-in ends when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A2 gains control in his/her backcourt. (4-12-2d; 9-9)

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

SITUATION 5: A1 has the ball for an end-line throw-in in his/her frontcourt. A1’s pass to A2, who is in the frontcourt standing near the division line, is high and deflects off A2’s hand and goes into Team A’s backcourt. A2 is then the first to control the ball in Team A’s backcourt.

RULING: Legal. There is no backcourt violation since player and team control had not yet been established in Team A’s frontcourt before the ball went into Team A’s backcourt. The throw-in ends when A2 legally touches the ball, but the backcourt count does not start until A2 gains control in his/her backcourt. (4-12-2d; 9-9)

...thanks.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ga314ref

...since this is not a scenario from 9-9-3, and has all the elements described in 9-9-1 to be called a BC. Had A1 jumped from the FC to the BC for his initial touch, I'd agree: no BC, but A1 touches the ball "at the top of the key" (ending the throw-in), and then runs and secures the ball in the BC.

This is a backcourt violation.

Despite the new (and incorrect) wording this year, the play described is still not a violation. PC needs to be established inbounds at some point before there can be a BC violation.

While there was TC throughout (because of the new wording), there was never PC inbounds.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ga314ref

...A has team control, A1 touches the ball in the front court, then chases it down and recovers in the backcourt. Why is this not a backcourt violation?

At what point was there player control in the front court?