Held ball without holding?

[phansen]

NFHS

During a loose ball A1 somehow ends up rolling on his back with the ball between his mid back and the floor. A1 cannot reach around himself to
grab the ball but has it pinned to the floor and seems satisfied not to move. B1 reaches under A1 and grabs the ball but cannot free it.
Held ball??
This situation doesn't meet all the 4-25 definition, but I called a held ball.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by phansen

This situation doesn't meet all the 4-25 definition, but I called a held ball.

You said it yourself. It doesn't meet the definition. Why call it a held ball?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by phansen

NFHS

During a loose ball A1 somehow ends up rolling on his back with the ball between his mid back and the floor. A1 cannot reach around himself to
grab the ball but has it pinned to the floor and seems satisfied not to move. B1 reaches under A1 and grabs the ball but cannot free it.
Held ball??
This situation doesn't meet all the 4-25 definition, but I called a held ball.

First off, I am inclined to agree with you that this does NOT meet the requirements of NFHS R4-S25-A1, NCAA R4-S37-A1(a), or FIBA R4-A12.1.2, nor do I do not believe that A1 has obtained (NFHS)/established (NCAA and FIBA) a Legal Guarding Position (LGP).

That said you have two options:

1) If this took place in B's backcourt, start at tern-second count. Or

2) If this took place in B's front court you have nothing.

But in both cases B1 has to be careful as to not commit a traveling violation.

MTD, Sr.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Please tell me this was a girls' middle school game.

First off, I am inclined to agree with you that this does meet the requirements of NFHS R4-S25-A1, NCAA R4-S37-A1(a), or FIBA R4-A12.1.2, nor do I do not believe that A1 has obtained (NFHS)/established (NCAA and FIBA) Legal Guarding Position (LGP).

That said you have two options:

1) If this took place in B's backcourt, start at tern-second count. Or

2) If this took place in B's front court you have nothing.

But in both cases B1 has to be careful as to not commit a traveling violation.

MTD, Sr.

Unless he was using older grammar rules, "he" probably meant "he".