Varisty coach knows the rule #1

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by deecee

Had a situation where we were administering FT's for his team and while I was bouncing the ball to the FT (ball had just left my hand) the opposing team's coach requests a TO and my partner grants it.

So VHC starts explaining the rule that we just messed up that the TO couldn't be granted since his player had the ball.

Had the ball just left your hand, or did his player have the ball?

Came home and opened the rule and case book and couldn't find anything that proved I was wrong I was able to sleep snugly at night.

Ah -- but did you find something that indicated you were right?

It's there, and whether you were right depends on the answer to my question above.

If you choose to engage a fan (or a coach), a phrase from the rule book often helps, at least in my experience.

[jTheUmp]

So he tucked his whistle in?

(* slowly backs out of thread *)

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by jtheump

so he tucked his whistle in?

(* slowly backs out of thread *)

+1:d

[rpirtle]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Had the ball just left your hand, or did his player have the ball?

Bob, in his original post (which I'm sure you re-read) DeeCee says the..."ball had just left my hand...". So the ball was not at the disposal of the shooter yet. It appears that the opposing Coach's TO was granted correctly. Would you agree..??

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by rpirtle

Bob, in his original post (which I'm sure you re-read) DeeCee says the..."ball had just left my hand...".

But the coach said "his player had the ball."

So, there's a discrepancy either in the description or in the perception of what happened.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rpirtle

Bob, in his original post (which I'm sure you re-read) DeeCee says the..."ball had just left my hand...". So the ball was not at the disposal of the shooter yet. It appears that the opposing Coach's TO was granted correctly. Would you agree..??

bob was probably confused by the statement that he (deecee) couldn't find anything to support his call.

[JugglingReferee]

The TO was granted when the shooter had the ball.

The TO was requested just after the ball left the official's hands.

So in the time the ball reached the shooter, the official was determining if the request was grantable.

[deecee]

The discrepancy came when in order of action.

I begin the bouncing motion to the free throw shooter

Coach (loud enough that the whole gym hears) requests a time out pretty much as soon as the first action occurs

Ball reaches free throw shooter

My partner blows the whistle

I wanted to get into the intricacies of when the time out is granted versus the actual whistle being blown with the coach after the game (since i walked right by him after i changed and was leaving the facility), as well as clarify a bit on the concept of disposal and live ball dead ball but knowing his personality it would have been a waste of calories.

By saying I couldn't find anything that proved I was wrong was that I found what proved me right.

@Smitty - it is not an embarrassment to address a fan. There are situations when it might happen. Right before in bounds before a quarter a fan has asked me about something that happened in the game and depending on how they ask I could very well offer them an answer.

[JugglingReferee]

You have to know your audience.

I am in a small town. We have about 40 names TOPS in my local association - and some of those can't do higher level ball. We have some of the biggest tournaments around, so we can work a lot.

Because it's a small town, word can get around fast, and it does. There is almost always a small degree of separation between an official and most spectators.

Most comments are ignored, but if Mr. W, my grade 5 teacher, and coach from the time I was 5 until I was 11, asks me a question (nicely) when he is a spectator, you can be certain that I'm going to answer him. Besides, they all know enough to only ask questions if they're in the front row at the facility.