Backcourt Violation?

[Dave9819]

Team A has the ball for a throw-in at the division line.

A1 releases the ball and it is tipped by A2 in the frontcourt (A2 has frontcourt status). A3 then jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball and establishes player control (while in the air, both feet off the ground), then lands in the backcourt.

I know in this situation, if it had been B2 who tipped the ball instead of A2, it would be a backcourt violation.

My question is, is it a violation if it was tipped by the offense (A2) instead of the defense (B2)?

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Dave9819

Team A has the ball for a throw-in at the division line.

A1 releases the ball and it is tipped by A2 in the frontcourt (A2 has frontcourt status). A3 then jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball and establishes player control (while in the air, both feet off the ground), then lands in the backcourt.

I know in this situation, if it had been B2 who tipped the ball instead of A2, it would be a backcourt violation.

My question is, is it a violation if it was tipped by the offense (A2) instead of the defense (B2)?

You got a lot happening here.

Okay upon the legal touching of the ball by either A2 or B2 the throw-in has ended. So as A3 last had front court status and control of the ball, while in the air, thus giving the ball front court status, then landing in the backcourt, we have a backcourt violation.

How did I do?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Toren

You got a lot happening here.

Okay upon the legal touching of the ball by either A2 or B2 the throw-in has ended. So as A3 last had front court status and control of the ball, while in the air, thus giving the ball front court status, then landing in the backcourt, we have a backcourt violation.

How did I do?

As much as I dislike this ruling, you are correct.

The exception for the throwin ends when the ball is touched inbounds. Only the first player to touch the ball has the freedom to have jumped from the frontcourt, catch the ball, and land in the backcourt.

If I were writing the rule, I'd have the exception apply until a layer gains PC and lands (or passes the ball before landing) without regard to how many times it is tipped (or by who).

[derwil]

Originally Posted by Toren

How did I do?

You got it right!

[Terrapins Fan]

Touch doesn't equal control by A2. The ball doesn't have FC status till it is control, does it?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Dave9819

Team A has the ball for a throw-in at the division line.

A1 releases the ball and it is tipped by A2 in the frontcourt (A2 has frontcourt status). A3 then jumps from the frontcourt, catches the ball and establishes player control (while in the air, both feet off the ground), then lands in the backcourt.

I know in this situation, if it had been B2 who tipped the ball instead of A2, it would be a backcourt violation.

My question is, is it a violation if it was tipped by the offense (A2) instead of the defense (B2)?

If you know that it's a violation in the case of B2 tipping the ball, then logic most certainly tells you that it's also a violation if you swap A2 for B2.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Touch doesn't equal control by A2. The ball doesn't have FC status till it is control, does it?

Yes, but A2 wasn't the last one to touch the ball with front court status. Read the original post again.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Touch doesn't equal control by A2. The ball doesn't have FC status till it is control, does it?

Originally Posted by Toren

Yes, but A2 wasn't the last one to touch the ball with front court status. Read the original post again.

Not true. The ball obtains its status based upon what it is touching or where it last touched a player or the floor. So if the ball is touched by a player who is in the frontcourt, then the ball gains frontcourt status. Refer to ball location in rule 4.

[Toren]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Not true. The ball obtains its status based upon what it is touching or where it last touched a player or the floor. So if the ball is touched by a player who is in the frontcourt, then the ball gains frontcourt status. Refer to ball location in rule 4.

Refer to rule 9-9-3. The original post is talking about a division line throw in.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Toren

Refer to rule 9-9-3. The original post is talking about a division line throw in.

Yes -- but so what? The ball still has FC status when it's touched in the FC.

That's 1 of the 4 criteria for a BC violation. Since it was a throw-in another of the 4 wasn't met, so no violation.

[Zoochy]

9.9.1 SITUATION D: Team A is awarded a throw-in near the division line. A1's
throw-in is deflected by B1; A2 jumps from Team A’s frontcourt, catches the ball in the air and lands in the backcourt. RULING: Backcourt violation on Team A. The throw-in ends when it is legally touched by B1. A2 gains player and team control in the air after having left the floor from Team A’s frontcourt, therefore having frontcourt status. As soon as A2 lands in the backcourt, he/she has committed a backcourt violation. The exception granted during a throw-in ends when the throw-in ends and is only for the player making the initial touch on the ball. (9-9-3)

See Throw-in/Backcourt violation?
This created alot of discussion, thus the following year these plays were listed in the interps for IAABO and NFHS. The above play became a case book play. The new team control rule does not effect the play.