3 man for sophomore?

Adam · #1 (**permalink**) Sun Nov 27, 2011, 11:59pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude

Here, on the southeast side of Washington State...we do 3 whistle for ALL Boys H.S. games...to include Freshman games.

Not sure what the Girls side does...I am only a member of our local Boys Association.

It would be interesting if the schools are able to use two for girls without dealing with Title IX complaints.

Welpe · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 12:03am

It'd be nice if we could find a way to start using three whistle in JV as a training ground but I don't see schools ponying up the extra fee. Besides, the way the UIL constitution is currently written, I don't think we could negotiate a slightly lower fee per official to add a third.

chseagle · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 12:04am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It would be interesting if the schools are able to use two for girls without dealing with Title IX complaints.

Since we've gone 3 person, I've seen a 2-person sub-varsity Girls' game only once or twice.

Adam · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 12:08am

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Originally Posted by chseagle

Since we've gone 3 person, I've seen a 2-person sub-varsity Girls' game only once or twice.

That would make sense. Scheduling issues would probably be allowable, as long as the school is attempting to get three.

But I'm no attorney.

RookieDude · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 12:05am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It would be interesting if the schools are able to use two for girls without dealing with Title IX complaints.

True...

not sure if the girls' officials feel they need 3 whistle for ALL the levels.

(I know I sure like 3 whislte, for ALL levels, on the boys side!)

chseagle · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 12:07am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude

True...

not sure if the girls' officials feel they need 3 whistle for ALL the levels.

(I know I sure like 3 whislte, for ALL levels, on the boys side!)

For the Girls' side the extra pair of eyes can be used for fashion police duties J/K

Adam · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 12:09am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude

True...

not sure if the girls' officials feel they need 3 whistle for ALL the levels.

(I know I sure like 3 whislte, for ALL levels, on the boys side!)

Here we have to work both, and I can tell you the need is far more consistent with the boys.

ga314ref · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 03:54am

...after there's a John McSherry type of incident. Maybe.

mbyron · #9 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 07:51am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It would be interesting if the schools are able to use two for girls without dealing with Title IX complaints.

I'm surprised that the existence of distinct associations for boys and girls doesn't prompt Title IX issues.

Camron Rust · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 01:51pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron

I'm surprised that the existence of distinct associations for boys and girls doesn't prompt Title IX issues.

Why would it? There is nothing about title IX that requires that a person (independent contractor) who does a job for one group (gender) also do that job for the other gender. Title IX requires the school to offer the same level of opportunities to both genders. It doesn't govern the organizations that provide contract services with the schools/teams.

mbyron · #11 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 03:18pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Why would it? There is nothing about title IX that requires that a person (independent contractor) who does a job for one group (gender) also do that job for the other gender. Title IX requires the school to offer the same level of opportunities to both genders. It doesn't govern the organizations that provide contract services with the schools/teams.

Schools hiring different quality officials for boys' and girls' events could provide grounds for a liability claim under Title IX.

Many people here seem to find this topic unpleasant, and it's largely irrelevant to officiating, so that's all I'm going to say.

Adam · #12 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 03:22pm

As long as the schools pay the same and provide the same accommodations, I think they're clear. They can't control who accepts their contract offers.

Rich · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron

Schools hiring different quality officials for boys' and girls' events could provide grounds for a liability claim under Title IX.

Say I am a high school official (I am) and I decide I want to work nothing but boys games. Exactly what are you saying -- the schools and the conferences I work for shouldn't hire me unless I'm willing to work both boys and girls games?

mbyron · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 08:21pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

Say I am a high school official (I am) and I decide I want to work nothing but boys games. Exactly what are you saying -- the schools and the conferences I work for shouldn't hire me unless I'm willing to work both boys and girls games?

I'm not saying anything about you or the schools you work for.

Altor · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 28, 2011, 08:30pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

Say I am a high school official (I am) and I decide I want to work nothing but boys games. Exactly what are you saying -- the schools and the conferences I work for shouldn't hire me unless I'm willing to work both boys and girls games?

I talked to a conference assigner many years ago (before the Internet, when officials sent post cards with their open dates to assigners) who told me that if an official only had Friday and Saturday nights open (the traditional times for boys games in this area) and no Thursdays or Saturday afternoons (the traditional times for girls), that he threw the post card in the trash with prejudice.