What do you have?

fiasco · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 07, 2011, 10:52pm

Team A is down by one point with 11.5 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter. Ball is inbounded on the end line. Team B applies full court pressure. A1 and A2 pass the ball back and forth between each other in the back court to avoid a defensive trap.

With 2 seconds left, A1, still in the backcourt, heaves the ball towards his team's basket. As the ball is in the air, the buzzer sounds. The ball goes in the basket.

What do you have?

APG · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 07, 2011, 10:56pm

A made 3 point shot at the buzzer and Team A win by 4?

RSturgell · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 07, 2011, 11:20pm

Team A 3 pt. shot good. 2 point win. No 10 sec. violation was called or am I missing something?

Berkut · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 07, 2011, 11:24pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

A made 3 point shot at the buzzer and Team A win by 4?

While it is an impressive shot, I don't think there is any provision to give them 5 points for it.

rsl · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 07, 2011, 11:24pm

Technically a backcourt violation, but only if my hand count hit ten seconds. I wouldn't use the clock to make the call.

Camron Rust · #6 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 07, 2011, 11:31pm

Basket good.

Team control ended on the release (after 9.5 seconds) so the 10 second count was no longer in effect. No violation.

APG · #7 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 07, 2011, 11:46pm

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Originally Posted by Berkut

While it is an impressive shot, I don't think there is any provision to give them 5 points for it.

Psht...it's obvious you aren't reading the right rule book.

Adam · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Nov 07, 2011, 11:55pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Basket good.

Team control ended on the release (after 9.5 seconds) so the 10 second count was no longer in effect. No violation.

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fiasco · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 08, 2011, 12:26am

This sitch came up when I was talking with some reffing buddies of mine in between rec league games on Saturday. One of them had this happen to him in a game earlier this year.

He waved the basket off and called a back court violation. When I asked him why he did that -- since team control ends on a try for goal and thus you can't have a backcourt violation -- he backtracked and said, in his opinion, the player wasn't really attempting a shot, just heaving the ball in the general direction of the goal.

I just said okay.

berserkBBK · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 08, 2011, 12:37am

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Originally Posted by fiasco

He waved the basket off and called a back court violation. When I asked him why he did that -- since team control ends on a try for goal and thus you can't have a backcourt violation -- he backtracked and said, in his opinion, the player wasn't really attempting a shot, just heaving the ball in the general direction of the goal.

I just said okay.

He obviously doesn't ref MS games

APG · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 08, 2011, 12:41am

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Originally Posted by berserkBBK

He obviously doesn't ref MS games

More like he's never seen a basketball game in his life. A team down by a point and heaving it with little time left in the game? A play you see at every freakin' level.

berserkBBK · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 08, 2011, 12:44am

Ego can't admit he kicked it

fiasco · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 08, 2011, 12:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

More like he's never seen a basketball game in his life. A team down by a point and heaving it with little time left in the game? A play you see at every freakin' level.

I think it was more of him covering his tracks when he found out that, by rule, he was wrong. Trying to use a different rule to justify the call.

Rob1968 · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 08, 2011, 10:12am

Case Book 9.8.A "While the ball is in the air traveling from backcourt to frontcourt, the 10-second count is reached."
RULING: Violation by Team A as the ball has not gained frontcourt location.

I made this call, years ago, when the ball was definitely passed at the 9-second point in my count, and traveled in the air to a 12 count, without gaining frontcourt location.

In the OP, the game situation trumps this call, because of the time remaining, and the obvious shot attempt. There is no way that it was not a shot.

Adam · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Nov 08, 2011, 10:22am

That case play involves a pass. Camron was right, team control ends as soon as the shot is released, so the 10 second count would terminate. If the shot is blocked, and A1 recovers, he gets a new 10 seconds (a highly unlikely scenario due to the fact that no one takes this shot with more than 10 seconds on the clock.).

The game situation does not trump the call, although it may inform your decision regarding whether it is a shot or pass. I think that's what you meant, but I wanted to state that if this was an actual violation, the game situation shouldn't matter.