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fiasco Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:52pm

What do you have?
 
Team A is down by one point with 11.5 seconds remaining in the 4th quarter. Ball is inbounded on the end line. Team B applies full court pressure. A1 and A2 pass the ball back and forth between each other in the back court to avoid a defensive trap.

With 2 seconds left, A1, still in the backcourt, heaves the ball towards his team's basket. As the ball is in the air, the buzzer sounds. The ball goes in the basket.

What do you have?

APG Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:56pm

A made 3 point shot at the buzzer and Team A win by 4? :confused:

RSturgell Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:20pm

Team A 3 pt. shot good. 2 point win. No 10 sec. violation was called or am I missing something? :rolleyes:

Berkut Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 797508)
A made 3 point shot at the buzzer and Team A win by 4? :confused:

While it is an impressive shot, I don't think there is any provision to give them 5 points for it.

rsl Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:24pm

Would I have the guts to call it?
 
Technically a backcourt violation, but only if my hand count hit ten seconds. I wouldn't use the clock to make the call.

Camron Rust Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:31pm

Basket good.

Team control ended on the release (after 9.5 seconds) so the 10 second count was no longer in effect. No violation.

APG Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Berkut (Post 797511)
While it is an impressive shot, I don't think there is any provision to give them 5 points for it.

Psht...it's obvious you aren't reading the right rule book. ;):D

Adam Mon Nov 07, 2011 11:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 797515)
Basket good.

Team control ended on the release (after 9.5 seconds) so the 10 second count was no longer in effect. No violation.

this

fiasco Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:26am

This sitch came up when I was talking with some reffing buddies of mine in between rec league games on Saturday. One of them had this happen to him in a game earlier this year.

He waved the basket off and called a back court violation. When I asked him why he did that -- since team control ends on a try for goal and thus you can't have a backcourt violation -- he backtracked and said, in his opinion, the player wasn't really attempting a shot, just heaving the ball in the general direction of the goal.

I just said okay.

berserkBBK Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 797523)
He waved the basket off and called a back court violation. When I asked him why he did that -- since team control ends on a try for goal and thus you can't have a backcourt violation -- he backtracked and said, in his opinion, the player wasn't really attempting a shot, just heaving the ball in the general direction of the goal.

I just said okay.

He obviously doesn't ref MS games

APG Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by berserkBBK (Post 797526)
He obviously doesn't ref MS games

More like he's never seen a basketball game in his life. A team down by a point and heaving it with little time left in the game? A play you see at every freakin' level.

berserkBBK Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:44am

Ego can't admit he kicked it

fiasco Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:45am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 797529)
More like he's never seen a basketball game in his life. A team down by a point and heaving it with little time left in the game? A play you see at every freakin' level.

I think it was more of him covering his tracks when he found out that, by rule, he was wrong. Trying to use a different rule to justify the call.

Rob1968 Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:12am

Officiating the game situation
 
Case Book 9.8.A "While the ball is in the air traveling from backcourt to frontcourt, the 10-second count is reached."
RULING: Violation by Team A as the ball has not gained frontcourt location.

I made this call, years ago, when the ball was definitely passed at the 9-second point in my count, and traveled in the air to a 12 count, without gaining frontcourt location.

In the OP, the game situation trumps this call, because of the time remaining, and the obvious shot attempt. There is no way that it was not a shot.

Adam Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:22am

That case play involves a pass. Camron was right, team control ends as soon as the shot is released, so the 10 second count would terminate. If the shot is blocked, and A1 recovers, he gets a new 10 seconds (a highly unlikely scenario due to the fact that no one takes this shot with more than 10 seconds on the clock.).

The game situation does not trump the call, although it may inform your decision regarding whether it is a shot or pass. I think that's what you meant, but I wanted to state that if this was an actual violation, the game situation shouldn't matter.


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