Lesson learned

[rockchalk jhawk]

Originally Posted by tref

My whistle was for B34s act, had I known his whistle was for a phantom over the back call on A34, then mine would become a dead ball contact whistle... T.

You had to see this one Bob, we had bodies in the paint & attitudes due to the backing out of an airborne rebounder.

I acknowledge that it was most likely a HTBT type of situation, but this is opening up a can of worms that 9 times out of 10 is only going to make the situation worse for everybody involved. If you have two different personal fouls (which you did) and you can't talk your partner out of his (I hope you brought him "information" and told him what YOU had), then go to the table with the personal foul that happened first.

There is just nothing from a common sense stand point (again, I wasn't there) from the sound of this that needed to be punished with a dead ball contact technical foul which is what you're saying you wished you would have had. It was a basketball act (granted a stupid one) that was the second personal foul in a sequence, not a technical foul.

[tref]

I understand jhawk... as I originally stated he came off the endline with "I got it... I got it on 34." So there was nothing to talk him out of as we all had the same obvious foul that everyone in the gym saw, or so I thought

In hindsight, if his whistle was for a rebounding foul then all action after that was dead ball contact, no?

Let me paint a more vivid picture, imagine B34 just inside the RA, A34 (6'4")jumps up & over him with the rebound in hand. After purposely being backed out as far as one step below the FT line extended by a bent over B34 (bent over like all he can see is the floor--- no verticality whatsoever) A34 finally loses his balance (because B34 wont stop) & topples over B34 in the paint. They're both lying on the floor now.

Thats not a basketball play that I have seen.

Teaching points: Never assume what a partner has & dont call rebounding fouls from behind as lead.

Originally Posted by bainsey

Redundant, yes?

haha yes

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tref

In hindsight, if his whistle was for a rebounding foul then all action after that was dead ball contact, no?

Let me paint a more vivid picture, imagine B34 just inside the RA, A34 (6'4")jumps up & over him with the rebound in hand. After purposely being backed out as far as one step below the FT line extended by a bent over B34 (bent over like all he can see is the floor--- no verticality whatsoever) A34 finally loses his balance (because B34 wont stop) & topples over B34 in the paint. They're both lying on the floor now.

Thats not a basketball play that I have seen.

It is a dead ball, sure, but if it has not been and you had made the only call, would have have called an intentional foul on B34? If not, then it doesn't become one because the ball happened to be dead. As such, you can't have a T. It is simply nothing.

You're grasping for a way to penalize B34 because your partner tagged the wrong player with a foul....the best you can do is make it a double foul.....sort of like a blarge...but a T is NOT the answer.