One Last Play

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Why is there a need to talk to anyone after this? This is just a regular basketball play...opponents do run into each other every now and then. I don't even know how you come up with a double foul...that seems like you're making a cop-out because you don't want to make the tough call.

I see what you are saying. My gut says in most games I'm calling push/charge on the offense.

Trying to look at the game as a whole (which is tough with only the clip):
- You've got what appears to be a low level game based on age and size of players
- You've got a low skill game based on lack of footwork to get open and the catch and shoot mechanics of the player they choose to feed the ball to later in the clip.
- You've got an offensive and defensive player who will be seeing each other on a number of inbounds who's immediate responses seem to be to clutch and grab and then crash into the clutcher and grabber.

Probably too much analysis and inference here but seems like the sort of game where you may need to do managing to make sure things stay clean and kids are focused on playing the game/ may not understand rules. This is the only situation and reason I would think double foul and talk. Clean this up if it is constant on inbounds all game long based on just the clip.

[Toren]

I watched the video once and a few things that I saw, and take this from a first year official as well:

I'm not sure what the referee was looking at, he isn't involved in the play at all, the player throwing the ball in-bounds isn't part of any action area. And any step over the boundary plane you can clearly see out of your peripheral vision. So as a first year referee, I would think we would more likely miss a player crossing the boundary plane because we were so intent on the two action players. Instead this referee chooses to watch the non action area.

I'm okay with either call, block or charge as this is a bang bang type of play. Personally I'm going with the offensive call. I didn't like the way he reported it. I only watched it once to give initial insight, but I believe he reported the wrong number. Also I didn't like his communication with his partner.

Lastly, I didn't like the jumper by the big kid, wow that shot was ugly

[tref]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Probably too much analysis and inference here but seems like the sort of game where you may need to do managing to make sure things stay clean and kids are focused on playing the game/ may not understand rules. This is the only situation and reason I would think double foul and talk. Clean this up if it is constant on inbounds all game long based on just the clip.

You're exactly right! At this level many of it participants do not understand the rules & it is not our jobs to teach them the rules. I've learned that putting air in the whistle is better than s l o w i n g the game down to talk to kids on basic plays. IMO, there was nothing non-basketball about this play & doesn't require an official to discuss anything with the kids.
We cannot make sure things are "clean" & we are not required to keep the kids "focused" on anything. We penalize illegal acts AFTER they occur...

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

We can agree to disagree assuming I don't see the play I can't call things I don't see. SHould their be a call here definitely. But if I don't see a travel, foul or any other call in the course of a game I not calling to call it on the notion it looks bad if I don't call something here. If questioned I would readily admit that it was suppose to be my call and I missed it.

I understand not guessing based on how a travel looks but using clues to make a decision when we cant see obvious fouls is not a bad thing.
I think we all have that little voice inside of us...

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

I don't think without the context of the game I can say for sure whether a convo is needed or not. Tnough we could say that for any clip, so you are right in that is probably isn't worth mentioning here.

Again, I didnt see anything non-basketball.