Intentional Fouls

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Toren

I also want to make the point that intentional includes the word intent. It's similar, in my opinion, to traveling. Although the word travel is not in the definition, it is the word that we are defining. So if someone said traveling is a violation that occurs when someone is not dribble and has traveled beyond the legal limits. Certainly we wouldn't say, travel is never used in the definition of traveling, therefore that definition is not accurate.

Traveling is a violation that occurs whenthe player with the ball MOVES HIS FEET beyond the legal limits.

Your definition would be similiar to saying the definition of washing is to wash clothes. That's not how definitions are written. You don't include the word or a form of the word in the definition of the word.

Intent has nothing to do with an intentional foul. Perhaps the NFHS needs to change the call to a Flagrant 1 or something.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Intent has nothing to do with an intentional foul. Perhaps the NFHS needs to change the call to a Flagrant 1 or something.

Intent sure does. "designed to...." That word is a synonym for intent. Intent alone doesn't make it intentional, but the combination of intent and effect. It has to both have intent and have effect. If it is lacking either, it is probably not intentional.

[BktBallRef]

Okay, I could have made my point better.

And that is that a player can intend to foul and not commit an intentional foul AND a player can commit an intentional foul without having intent.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Okay, I could have made my point better.

And that is that a player can intend to foul and not commit an intentional foul AND a player can commit an intentional foul without having intent.

Agree.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

A player can intend to foul and not commit an intentional foul and a player can commit an intentional foul without having intent.

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