Intentional or Not

[APG]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

This is an accepted practice in professional basketball, but not in amateur athletics.

The simple phrase "neutralize an opponent's obvious advantageous position" was created for this exact type of non-play on the ball. This phrase was included because the rules-makers do not want this type of defence in basketball. Period. If you don't like it, get yourself onto the rules committee and petition for a change. Until, you'll have to set your personal opinion aside (most of us have some rule that we don't like) and call the play correctly with an X.

Do you think there aren't times at the amateur level, where players take a foul to stop an easy basket? There's a right and wrong way to go about it to not make it plain as day that one is trying to foul on purpose to stop a basket. Just because, say for instance, a player fouls a player from behind on a fastbreak where the offensive player is ahead of everyone, doesn't mean it's an automatic intentional foul.

I think that's kind of the point ontheway was trying to get along?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Do you think there aren't times at the amateur level, where players take a foul to stop an easy basket? There's a right and wrong way to go about it to not make it plain as day that one is trying to foul on purpose to stop a basket. Just because, say for instance, a player fouls a player from behind on a fastbreak where the offensive player is ahead of everyone, doesn't mean it's an automatic intentional foul.

I think that's kind of the point ontheway was trying to get along?

The difference is how they foul. Swatting at the ball from behind and missing the ball but getting the arms alone will not be intentional. Holding onto the opponent from behind such that they can't even jump and/or attempt the obvious shot no matter what is where it ventures into intentional territory.

This play ceased to be a play on the ball when the defender missed the ball then chose to hold onto the shooter's body so the shooter couldn't shoot.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The difference is how they foul. Swatting at the ball from behind and missing the ball but getting the arms alone will not be intentional. Holding onto the opponent from behind such that they can't even jump and/or attempt the obvious shot no matter what is where it ventures into intentional territory.

This play ceased to be a play on the ball when the defender missed the ball then chose to hold onto the shooter's body so the shooter couldn't shoot.

To your first point, that's what I mean in there being a right way to foul on purpose...and it is pretty much accepted to take away an offensive player's advantage.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Do you think there aren't times at the amateur level, where players take a foul to stop an easy basket? There's a right and wrong way to go about it to not make it plain as day that one is trying to foul on purpose to stop a basket. Just because, say for instance, a player fouls a player from behind on a fastbreak where the offensive player is ahead of everyone, doesn't mean it's an automatic intentional foul.

I think that's kind of the point ontheway was trying to get along?

Could be. otw was the first to mention "malice" and "violent" from the "dragging him down". Additionally, nobody mentioned the upgrade to a FF. I think otw was mis-interpreting what was said prior to his post, that's all.

My response to him was, I admit, too strong, but that's because I felt it unnecessary to defend a position that nobody had suggested yet.