You make the call!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

Tough decision to make, great teaching points in the 9 second clip!

If there is a call to be made, who has it... the L across the paint or the C who is not engaged whatsoever?
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That would be the C's call. He's there to ref the play.

[truerookie]

As the Lead, I am picking up the secondary defender. IMO, I'm going with the PC..

[Camron Rust]

Nothing....play on.

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

That would be the C's call. He's there to ref the play.

C may have been a step late to see defender before contact. I've been taught that in quick transition the L has the best opportunity to see this type of play.

Originally Posted by truerookie

As the Lead, I am picking up the secondary defender. IMO, I'm going with the PC..

In the video, the new lead really took off on the rebound and appears to have perfect position on the endline to view the play. Hard to argue with his no call.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Nothing....play on.

+infinity

[Adam]

We're taught here, as lead, to either rotate in transition or, if you can't make it over in time, let the C have the first crack at this call. In this play, it looks like the play happened quickly enough that lead couldn't get over.

Either way, it looks like a flop from the camera angle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BLydic

First impression yes, but I'm leaning more towards a patient whistle to see results of the play. Does white secure the ball? If so, I'm passing. Unfortunately the video ends too soon.

I got nothing on that rebound, either.

[APG]

I guess since there's multiple aspects in which we're judging on rather than just the block/charge play:

No travel
Nothing on the block/charge play
Nothing on the rebounding action...regardless of who got the ball subsequently...at least from the portion of rebounding action we are afforded.

[truerookie]

In the video, the new lead really took off on the rebound and appears to have perfect position on the endline to view the play. Hard to argue with his no call.[/QUOTE]

I just stated how I would officiate the play. You can bet your sweeta** that was a secondary defender in transition who drew contact in the upper torso..

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

I just stated how I would officiate the play. You can bet your sweeta** that was a secondary defender in transition who drew contact in the upper torso..

Secondary defender? Maybe I'm confused, but how do you define secondary defender? The defender who went down on this play sure looks like the primary defender of the guy with the ball. If he's a secondary defender, then the shooter is a secondary offender.

We're all watching that defender, and let's just say the contact does not appear to be what knocks the defender 4 feet backwards. Does that mean there wasn't a foul? Not necessarily, but the C was in good position and I'd defer to his decision.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I agree with the no call...contact was marginal at best IMO.

I don't know. Hard to tell with 33 White eclipsing the camera's angle at the time of the block/charge/nothing.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

I don't know. Hard to tell with 33 White eclipsing the camera's angle at the time of the block/charge/nothing.

The contact starts at the six second mark with white 33 out of the way. The contact doesn't quite rise to the level of a foul to me because IMO, the offensive player does contact the defender, but does not really go through the defender...the fact the offensive player does a (legal) spin move also helps in selling the fact that the contact is marginal...at least on this play.

[Jeremy Hohn]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I like the no call

Another vote for no call. It didn't seem that he displaced the defender to that degree, and his movement went back away from the defender rotating toward the goal.

As others have stated, if you had a similar play called a PC foul earlier, then get that one to "Mirror plays" for your crew.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If you need to watch the replay 6 times to figure it out, then no, he didn't.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[just another ref]

Having the philosophy that we will make the same call on "similar plays" is a crock, in my opinion. No matter how similar two plays may be, they may still fall on opposite sides of a very fine line. Each must be judged on its own merit.