Yelling (can't think of a better title)

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
My opinion is and has always been that this is unsporting. It's not in any way part of playing the game. There is no effort to play the ball. In fact, yelling like that is usually an indication that the defender has been beaten badly and can't play defense anymore. I really do think it's unsporting and should be punished by a technical foul.

Unfortunately, my opinion in this case is not supported by the rules.

Chuck

Reminds me of that old "what to do if a player does not take the ball OOB on a throw-in after a made basket" debate.

[DrakeM]

Here's one that I saw the other day.
Watching the JV game before mine and at the end of the second quarter, I notice one of the officials going over to the fans and he says something, and keeps holding up two fingers, and says, "read the rule".
So, just for curiosity's sake, I ask him what that was all about. He says,"the fans were counting 5,4,3,2,1" when there was actually more time than that on the clock!
They actually got a girl on the visiting team to throw up a shot with :10 left!
I told him to stop wasting his time.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by canuckrefguy
Unsporting
Legal

Hmmm. Can't be both, now, can it?

Chuck

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Reminds me of that old "what to do if a player does not take the ball OOB on a throw-in after a made basket" debate.

Au contraire. If you recall, my opinion in fact was supported by the rules in that case!! As was made perfectly clear in this year's rulebook!



Chuck

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Au contraire. If you recall, my opinion in fact was supported by the rules in that case!! As was made perfectly clear in this year's rulebook!



Chuck

This year's high school yearbook.

Yearbook? Rulebook.

[Edited by Dan_ref on Feb 13th, 2003 at 12:22 PM]

[hawkk]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Hmmm. Can't be both, now, can it?

Chuck

Sure it can. Putting in the starters when syou'r up 127-3 is unsporting, but certainly legal; Refusing to shake hands with the other coach is unsporting, but legal; etc. . . .

[ChuckElias]

Good point, hawk. But if a player on the floor commits an unsporting act, then that's not legal. I mean, that's exactly why we have unsportsmanlike technical fouls.

I agree that there isn't a rule specifically adressing this but I definitely consider yelling at a player shooting a layup an unsporting act. However, I would probably talk to the player when I had the chance and tell them not to do it again rather than give them a 'T' right away. Since this situation usually only happens once maybe twice a game I may let the first one slide and then talk to them if it happens again, but I don't think this warrants a 'T' right off the bat.

[mick]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
Good point, hawk. But if a player on the floor commits an unsporting act, then that's not legal. I mean, that's exactly why we have unsportsmanlike technical fouls.

Unsporting acts are not all defined, they are ill-defined.
We judge whether the act was worthy of penalty or whether the act is characteristic of ill-breeding, poor coaching, or a general lack of savoire faire.
This is a judgment we are paid to make, much like the varying levels of cursing. We draw our lines.

Now, I ask,

is it better to judge the act of yelling an unsporting act and not calling it,

is it better to judge the act not unsporting and not calling it,

is it better to judge the act not unsporting and calling it?
mick

[theboys]

Does the fake "cutting under" the shooter also fall into this category? Figure it does, because I've never seen a call based on that action.

[MN 3 Sport Ref]

Use some preventative officiating (hs level mainly). Quietly tell the player you do not want them doing that anymore and 99% if the time they will stop. Problem solved w/ 2 seconds of PO.

[Rich]

Could someone either recap the "throw-in" thread or point me to the link?

Rich

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser
Could someone either recap the "throw-in" thread or point me to the link?

Rich

After a made basket by A, B doesn't take the ball out of bounds before "throwing it in."

Options (prior to this year): 1) Immediate violation; 2) Wait five seconds for violation; 3) Blow the whistle and bring them back to do it correctly.

This year's clarification: 1)

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

After a made basket by A, B doesn't take the ball out of bounds before "throwing it in."

Options (prior to this year): 1) Immediate violation; 2) Wait five seconds for violation; 3) Blow the whistle and bring them back to do it correctly.

This year's clarification: 1)

There were never any options prior to this year. It was always a violation from the very begining.

[Dan_ref]

I knew I could get this thing cranked up again!

I am so proud of myself!