Bench Tech Question

[NCHSAA]

To make sure, you can have a tech charged to the bench even if you are not sure of a particular offender right?

[bob jenkins]

By rule, I think:

Fed: No
NCAA: Yes

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

By rule, I think:

Fed: No
NCAA: Yes

I think you can under NFHS, but I don't have my books. I was playing a situation where you have someone on the bench commit an unsporting act but you are not sure who. Seems like I read where you just charge the tech to the bench and indirectly to the HC.

[tref]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

I think you can under NFHS, but I don't have my books. I was playing a situation where you have someone on the bench commit an unsporting act but you are not sure who. Seems like I read where you just charge the tech to the bench and indirectly to the HC.

I could've sworn that I read the the same thing, somewhere.

Cannot locate it though

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by tref

I could've sworn that I read the the same thing, somewhere.

Cannot locate it though

I think it is in small print (sub article) in the Bench Tech section. Or somewhere related to bench techs

[Mark Padgett]

Years ago, I was working a game with a fairly experienced official. He was trail (2 person) and he blew his whistle and gave the T sign toward the visitor's bench. Apparently, someone on the bench had made a nasty comment about the officiating. He wasn't sure who said it so he told the coach that he was getting a direct technical unless he revealed who actually committed the foul. At first the coach thought he was kidding, but he wasn't. Since the coach already had one direct, this would have meant an ejection. One of the kids on the bench raised his hand and said it was him. My partner then told the table to charge the kid with the technical and also charge the coach with an indirect. He then explained to the coach what his status was now.

I just shook my head.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I just shook my head.

As in "way to go" or "wtf"?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by tref

As in "way to go" or "wtf"?

As in "I should have taken more meds".

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Apparently, someone on the bench had made a nasty comment about the officiating. He wasn't sure who said it so he told the coach that he was getting a direct technical unless he revealed who actually committed the foul. At first the coach thought he was kidding, but he wasn't.

It's certainly one way to leverage information.

Let's say you're running up the court, minding your own business, when you hear from the bench behind you, "That ref's a fat f***."

There's no way in hell you're going to let that one get away, but if you don't know who said it, and you can't just charge the bench, what can you do? Threaten the coach as Mark's partner did? Threaten to choose a player to whack, if the little mouth didn't fess up? Is there a preferred option to punish accordingly?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by bainsey

It's certainly one way to leverage information.

Let's say you're running up the court, minding your own business, when you hear from the bench behind you, "That ref's a fat f***."

There's no way in hell you're going to let that one get away, but if you don't know who said it, and you can't just charge the bench, what can you do? Threaten the coach as Mark's partner did? Threaten to choose a player to whack, if the little mouth didn't fess up? Is there a preferred option to punish accordingly?

Just pick a player, say it was him and wait for him to point out the actual offender. If he doesn't do that, toss him for the flagrant T.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Just pick a player, say it was him and wait for him to point out the actual offender. If he doesn't do that, toss him for the flagrant T.

Isn't that just as suspect as what happened in your story? All you've done here is instead of charge the coach, you've shifted this to the player. IMO, the other way of doing this is probably closer in having rules support as it's always been established that the head coach is technically responsible for conduct of the bench (and I'm still not even sure if I'd use what your partner did).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Isn't that just as suspect as what happened in your story? All you've done here is instead of charge the coach, you've shifted this to the player. IMO, the other way of doing this is probably closer in having rules support as it's always been established that the head coach is technically responsible for conduct of the bench (and I'm still not even sure if I'd use what your partner did).

+1

Stick the coach until the perp fesses up. There's no provision for a flagrant T on the bench, so you'd probably need to settle for a standard T until Kobe Jr. owns up to the comment; then you can inform the coach that Jr. has been DQd.

[just another ref]

10.4.4B In the case of infractions by multiple offenders, the T is charged to the team and indirectly to the HC. I don't see why the same thing couldn't be done in the case where the specific offender is not known.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Isn't that just as suspect as what happened in your story?

Not at all. Mark's partner was serious.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Not at all. Mark's partner was serious.

I can't tell with Mark...his "game management style" is different than mine.