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NCHSAA Tue Jul 12, 2011 09:20am

Bench Tech Question
 
To make sure, you can have a tech charged to the bench even if you are not sure of a particular offender right?

bob jenkins Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:49am

By rule, I think:

Fed: No
NCAA: Yes

NCHSAA Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:10am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 772007)
By rule, I think:

Fed: No
NCAA: Yes

I think you can under NFHS, but I don't have my books. I was playing a situation where you have someone on the bench commit an unsporting act but you are not sure who. Seems like I read where you just charge the tech to the bench and indirectly to the HC.

tref Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:18am

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Originally Posted by NCHSAA (Post 772014)
I think you can under NFHS, but I don't have my books. I was playing a situation where you have someone on the bench commit an unsporting act but you are not sure who. Seems like I read where you just charge the tech to the bench and indirectly to the HC.

I could've sworn that I read the the same thing, somewhere.

Cannot locate it though :(

NCHSAA Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 772015)
I could've sworn that I read the the same thing, somewhere.

Cannot locate it though :(

I think it is in small print (sub article) in the Bench Tech section. Or somewhere related to bench techs

Mark Padgett Tue Jul 12, 2011 03:25pm

Years ago, I was working a game with a fairly experienced official. He was trail (2 person) and he blew his whistle and gave the T sign toward the visitor's bench. Apparently, someone on the bench had made a nasty comment about the officiating. He wasn't sure who said it so he told the coach that he was getting a direct technical unless he revealed who actually committed the foul. At first the coach thought he was kidding, but he wasn't. Since the coach already had one direct, this would have meant an ejection. One of the kids on the bench raised his hand and said it was him. My partner then told the table to charge the kid with the technical and also charge the coach with an indirect. He then explained to the coach what his status was now.

I just shook my head.

tref Tue Jul 12, 2011 03:51pm

More than one way to skin a cat
 
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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 772100)
I just shook my head.

As in "way to go" or "wtf"?

Mark Padgett Tue Jul 12, 2011 05:07pm

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 772107)
As in "way to go" or "wtf"?

As in "I should have taken more meds".

bainsey Tue Jul 12, 2011 06:02pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 772100)
Apparently, someone on the bench had made a nasty comment about the officiating. He wasn't sure who said it so he told the coach that he was getting a direct technical unless he revealed who actually committed the foul. At first the coach thought he was kidding, but he wasn't.

It's certainly one way to leverage information. ;)

Let's say you're running up the court, minding your own business, when you hear from the bench behind you, "That ref's a fat f***."

There's no way in hell you're going to let that one get away, but if you don't know who said it, and you can't just charge the bench, what can you do? Threaten the coach as Mark's partner did? Threaten to choose a player to whack, if the little mouth didn't fess up? Is there a preferred option to punish accordingly?

Mark Padgett Tue Jul 12, 2011 06:51pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 772126)
It's certainly one way to leverage information. ;)

Let's say you're running up the court, minding your own business, when you hear from the bench behind you, "That ref's a fat f***."

There's no way in hell you're going to let that one get away, but if you don't know who said it, and you can't just charge the bench, what can you do? Threaten the coach as Mark's partner did? Threaten to choose a player to whack, if the little mouth didn't fess up? Is there a preferred option to punish accordingly?

Just pick a player, say it was him and wait for him to point out the actual offender. If he doesn't do that, toss him for the flagrant T.

APG Tue Jul 12, 2011 07:09pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 772132)
Just pick a player, say it was him and wait for him to point out the actual offender. If he doesn't do that, toss him for the flagrant T.

Isn't that just as suspect as what happened in your story? All you've done here is instead of charge the coach, you've shifted this to the player. IMO, the other way of doing this is probably closer in having rules support as it's always been established that the head coach is technically responsible for conduct of the bench (and I'm still not even sure if I'd use what your partner did).

Adam Tue Jul 12, 2011 08:19pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 772135)
Isn't that just as suspect as what happened in your story? All you've done here is instead of charge the coach, you've shifted this to the player. IMO, the other way of doing this is probably closer in having rules support as it's always been established that the head coach is technically responsible for conduct of the bench (and I'm still not even sure if I'd use what your partner did).

+1

Stick the coach until the perp fesses up. There's no provision for a flagrant T on the bench, so you'd probably need to settle for a standard T until Kobe Jr. owns up to the comment; then you can inform the coach that Jr. has been DQd.

just another ref Tue Jul 12, 2011 08:48pm

10.4.4B In the case of infractions by multiple offenders, the T is charged to the team and indirectly to the HC. I don't see why the same thing couldn't be done in the case where the specific offender is not known.

bainsey Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:19pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 772135)
Isn't that just as suspect as what happened in your story?

Not at all. Mark's partner was serious.

APG Tue Jul 12, 2011 11:27pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 772162)
Not at all. Mark's partner was serious.

I can't tell with Mark...his "game management style" is different than mine.


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