Agree or Disagree?

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Yeah, I agree with not making a suggestion like this during the season. My thinking was, I'd rather it not escalate. Sit him down, cool his head.

And what if the coach had said "No, I'm not taking him out."?

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And what if the coach had said "No, I'm not taking him out."?

Good question

[APG]

Personally, I would have handled it like I would a regular season game...

In a blowout as you described, and play getting chippy, anything borderline is at the very least is getting an intentional foul from me. And if a foul is close to flagrant as you described, I'm tossing. I'm not going to ask to coach to sit a player because he's under no obligation to work with you and sit the player. I will say though, that most coaches are smart enough to know to sit a player if a game is getting chippy and he commits an intentional foul.

[Bad Zebra]

Go with the INT then maybe have a conversation with the coach. That way you're taking care of your business AND giving the coach the opportunity to address it before it escalates. Let's not forget that the offended player and HIS coach may want to see an adequate penalty so they don't feel like they have to take matters into their hands.

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Personally, I would have handled it like I would a regular season game...

In a blowout as you described, and play getting chippy, anything borderline is at the very least is getting an intentional foul from me. And if a foul is close to flagrant as you described, I'm tossing. I'm not going to ask to coach to sit a player because he's under no obligation to work with you and sit the player. I will say though, that most coaches are smart enough to know to sit a player if a game is getting chippy and he commits an intentional foul.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Go with the INT then maybe have a conversation with the coach. That way you're taking care of your business AND giving the coach the opportunity to address it before it escalates. Let's not forget that the offended player and HIS coach may want to see an adequate penalty so they don't feel like they have to take matters into their hands.

All fair points. Thanks.

[twocentsworth]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

And what if the coach had said "No, I'm not taking him out."?

my response to the coach: "OK".....

then just call fouls on the player in question a little more closely. He has lost the "benefit of the summer league doubt" with me.....

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

my response to the coach: "OK".....

then just call fouls on the player in question a little more closely. He has lost the "benefit of the summer league doubt" with me.....

I don't want to go head-hunting so to speak. My thinking at the time was, if this kid doesn't come out now, he's going to do something he regrets, and I don't want that to happen.

As others have mentioned, I think I'll use an intentional foul to send my message next time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I don't want to go head-hunting so to speak. My thinking at the time was, if this kid doesn't come out now, he's going to do something he regrets, and I don't want that to happen.

As others have mentioned, I think I'll use an intentional foul to send my message next time.

+1

Don't change your game for one player; it's the definition of unfair.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

+1

Don't change your game for one player; it's the definition of unfair.

I would agree normally, but this is summer ball. Most players do not foul out, the clock is running and the more fouls you call the more players cannot do silly things during play. And sometimes you stop silly stuff.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I would agree normally, but this is summer ball. Most players do not foul out, the clock is running and the more fouls you call the more players cannot do silly things during play. And sometimes you stop silly stuff.

Peace

I don't think I was clear, but I meant that I wouldn't call a game diifferently for one player than for the rest. If I'm going to tighten things up, I tighten it up for everyone. The suggestion I was answering was to call this one player extra tightly.

[ontheway]

int seems to be the best way to go you must maintain control of the game.

but lets make sure we know the diference in a hard foul to stop a basket and a flagrant foul

[tref]

Around here we have the green light to remove players from summer games.
And we dont "ask" it's simply "coach give me a sub."

If the player doesnt have his mind right upon returning, we have other tools to handle knuckleheads!

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by tref

Around here we have the green light to remove players from summer games.
And we dont "ask" it's simply "coach give me a sub."

If the player doesnt have his mind right upon returning, we have other tools to handle knuckleheads!

Really??? This baffles me, that because it is "summer ball", "summer games" or whatever they may be called that we are somehow given extra power to TELL the coaches what to do with their players. Are you allowed to tell the coach to just go sit in the stands and coach for him as well (i'm just joking), cause you have already influenced his team by "MAKING" him remove the player. What if he says no?? are you allowed to just forfeit the game or what do you do next? I would really like to know. I was never told to do that nor would I do it because I have over stepped my boundaries as an official. I went from being a referee to a coach and that is not what i am there to do. I adjudicate plays and situations within the rules and telling a coach to remove a player or that you need a sub for a player who is well enough(not injured) to play is not within our framework, imo.

I think letting players know that even though you are playing summer ball, that you can't act like a fool, and that really starts with the coaches I guess, but it will sure as heck end with me. If he acts incorrectly within respect for the game, that is a technical foul. If he still wants to carry on then, because he is a kid I will let the coach know that if he continues I have no other option but to eject him. If the coach doesn't tell him to knock it off, pull him out, whatever he CHOOSES (not me choosing for him) then i will dump him and send a real message, at least on my court that he cannot and will not act like crazy on my court.