3 situations for comment

[Jake80]

1) I know this has been discussed on this forum before, but I can't seem to find the thread. A1 commits his 5th foul. 5th foul not recognized by the table. B1 completes his two free throws. Team A makes the throw-in and proceeds down the court. Timer blows the horn and informs officials that A1 has five fouls. A1 is disqualified and substituted. Is this correct or should the officials wait until the next dead ball to disqualify A1?

2) A1 recovers loose ball lying on the floor. Then proceeds to rise to her knees. I think I would rule this as an attempt to get up and call traveling. How would you call this?

3) Sorry kinda long. I was lead in a game that was a 30 point blow out by the third quarter. I can tell green 32 is getting frustrated and something nasty may occur. White 10 goes up for a shot and green 32 bumps him hard. I continue to stay with the play to see if anything would develop and did not watch the ball. I signal two shots and players line up. After white 10 makes one free throw I grab the ball with the intent of administering the second. I notice ten players are in motion and eight are moving down court. @##%!. Either ten players don't know what's going on or two officials have made a mistake. I go over to the table and ask official scorer if the basket went in on the foul. He says yes but didn't count it because I didn't indicate it counted. I think this is a correctible error and count the basket for white and give the ball to green for a throw -in. Green coach goes ballistic but since it was my mistake I listen to his concern (ranting) and do nothing. By rule was this a correctible error or did I make a mistake? Also, I believe it is the trail's responsibility to observe the ball to see if it goes through the hoop (although I do feel responsible for the mistake), please correct me if I am mistaken.

[BktBallRef]

1) A1 must be replaced when the game is stopped.

2) Was she on her knees already or did she rise from sitting to her knees?

3) Correctable. You did fine.

[Jake80]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef
[B]1) A1 must be replaced when the game is stopped.

I should have asked this question more intelligently. By rule should the game be stopped to replace A1 or should the officials let play continue until the ball is dead? I knew that once the game was stopped A1 would have to be replaced.

2) Was she on her knees already or did she rise from sitting to her knees?

Lying on the floor. You know, knees, elbows, stomach, and chin. I failed to indicate back or stomach. Sorry my bad.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Regarding Item 3, where the heck was your partner? When the Trail saw the you and not signaled a successful field goal attempt he should have been in your face letting you know the the ball went through the basket and then you can make the decision as to whether to score the basket or not.

[BktBallRef]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jake80

Originally posted by BktBallRef
1) A1 must be replaced when the game is stopped.

I should have asked this question more intelligently. By rule should the game be stopped to replace A1 or should the officials let play continue until the ball is dead? I knew that once the game was stopped A1 would have to be replaced.

If they blow the horn and you stop the game, replace him immediately. If you don't stop the game and they yell to you that he has 5 fouls, stop the game and replace him.

2) Was she on her knees already or did she rise from sitting to her knees?

Lying on the floor. You know, knees, elbows, stomach, and chin. I failed to indicate back or stomach. Sorry my bad.

Traveling.

[pizanno]

I score you 3 for 3.

#3: "partner, the ball went in if you want it!"

[Jake80]

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Regarding Item 3, where the heck was your partner? When the Trail saw the you and not signaled a successful field goal attempt he should have been in your face letting you know the the ball went through the basket and then you can make the decision as to whether to score the basket or not.

We often have different partners in the games I officiate. I found out this partner has even less experience than I (2yrs.) do. I don't know every person in our association so sometimes I am not sure who has experience and who doesn't.
I usually go over this in pregame but found some experienced officials who look at me like I'm from Mars. "I been doing this so long I forgot more than you'll ever know, etc." Which is sort of humorous because I am 39 year old second year guy (but have been around the game as a player and coach most of my life) and I get paired with some 30 year old that has been officiating for 10 years.
Anyway I think from now on I need to go over this and make sure we are on the same page. By the way what are the normal things you go over in pregame?

[williebfree]

Originally posted by pizanno
I score you 3 for 3.

#3: "partner, the ball went in if you want it!"

As a trail helping the lead determine if it is a made basket, do not say "The basket is good." Just tell him as discreetly as possible that "the basket was made." A little nuance which is a BIG annoyance (pet peeve) to many.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by williebfree

As a trail helping the lead determine if it is a made basket, do not say "The basket is good." Just tell him as discreetly as possible that "the basket was made." A little nuance which is a BIG annoyance (pet peeve) to many.

I simply say the ball went in. Even saying "the basket was made" could be interpreted as it should count. If the ball was dead there was no made basket, but the ball still went into the basket.

Perhaps, nitpicking, but it's the method I like.