Mavericks v Lakers

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Makes a difference when penalizing and judging intent. He was, IMO, not trying to do anything flagrant. He was just trying to grab Berrea to foul him.

What was the "crime" you think Artest was trying to commit?

What difference does it make what he was "trying" to do...fact is he clothes lined the guy. There is no judging of intent needed on that play, on Odom's play, or on Bynum's.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

What difference does it make what he was "trying" to do...fact is he clothes lined the guy. There is no judging of intent needed on that play, on Odom's play, or on Bynum's.

And who said I didn't say it didn't deserve to be a Flagrant Foul? I said the final act ended up worse than his initial intentions, which was just to commit a foul. I made my statement in regards to Grune lumping it into the same "bush league" category as what Odom and Bynum did. To me what Artest did is in no way comparable to what Bynum did.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And who said I didn't say it didn't deserve to be a Flagrant Foul? I said the final act ended up worse than his initial intentions, which was just to commit a foul. I made my statement in regards to Grune lumping it into the same "bush league" category as what Odom and Bynum did. To me what Artest did is in no way comparable to what Bynum did.

Gotcha...but I will disagree as to the opinion that the plays (Artest and Bynum)are not comparable. Imho, they are comparable in that both of them were non-basketball plays that have no business taking place in the game. Was one more dangerous than the other - yes. But both could have caused significant injury. Both were "bush league".

[APG]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

What difference does it make what he was "trying" to do...fact is he clothes lined the guy. There is no judging of intent needed on that play, on Odom's play, or on Bynum's.

There's certainly a difference between Artest's play and Bynum's play...I do think you have to judge intent when deciding on the length of suspension...less so when deciding whether to keep a player in a game or not.