Mavericks v Lakers

[MD Longhorn]

Really... no thread on this already? Shocked.

I'm sure you guys have all seen the way the Lakers ended Phil Jackson's career on a rather ignominous note. I think the officials handled it well as possible.

What do you think the suspensions will be, or should be? I bet it WILL be 1 game suspension at the beginning of next year on Bynum, maybe nothing on the other play.

I think Bynum's hit SHOULD warrant much more. I think the fact that this was done at the very end of a game already out of hand should be part of the equation. This was nothing less than an attempt to injure, and should be handled as strongly as a fight, if not more. I think 4-5 games more appropriate, and one thing I wish NBA would do is cause suspended players in situations like this sit out the next game AGAINST THAT TEAM.

[Adam]

Rick Bucher from ESPN was on Mike and Mike this morning, and he thinks Bynum could end up with 10 games off; 5 for the "foul" and 5 more for ripping his shirt off at half court.

It's not Bynum's first rodeo, so that should play into it. I haven't seen the play (too much going on this weekend, or I would have loved to watch the close-out game) yet.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I haven't seen the play (too much going on this weekend, or I would have loved to watch the close-out game) yet.

Those two fouls were two of the most "bush league" flagrant whacks I've ever seen (including the Ron Artest inexcusable whack of a few games before). I hope they throw the book at both of them! The league must demonstrate that if you're losing badly and you're frustrated, you can't just go out and hammer someone - playoffs or regular season. I'd like to see 10 games and a $100K fine! There could have been a really bad injury, especially the one by Bynum.

The announcers went out of their way to commend the officials and the way they managed and had control of the game.

A sad way to end Phil Jackson's career. Really embarrassing for the league.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

The announcers went out of their way to commend the officials and the way they managed and had control of the game.

Greeny managed to both do that and demonstrate his ignorance when it comes to officiating this morning.
He commended the officials, but stated that if that same play happened in game one it should have been a Flagrant 1.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Greeny managed to both do that and demonstrate his ignorance when it comes to officiating this morning.
He commended the officials, but stated that if that same play happened in game one it should have been a Flagrant 1.

I could see Odom's foul being called a flagrant one under different circumstances...I thought the flagrant two was the correct call for the situation...

Bynum's foul is a flagrant two every single time...classic wind up, impact, and follow through with the forearm on an airborne player...he would have been tossed in game one of the regular season, game one of a playoff foul, game 7 of the NBA Finals...etc.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Greeny managed to both do that and demonstrate his ignorance when it comes to officiating this morning.
He commended the officials, but stated that if that same play happened in game one it should have been a Flagrant 1.

He does this every day he starts talking about sports. It is not just when he starts talking about officiating for sure.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

He does this every day he starts talking about sports. It is not just when he starts talking about officiating for sure.

Peace

True enough, but I typically find his perspective to be entertaining; until he starts pontificating on officiating. Then I flip over to music instead.

[tref]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Those two fouls were two of the most "bush league" flagrant whacks I've ever seen (including the Ron Artest inexcusable whack of a few games before). I hope they throw the book at both of them! The league must demonstrate that if you're losing badly and you're frustrated, you can't just go out and hammer someone - playoffs or regular season. I'd like to see 10 games and a $100K fine! There could have been some really bad injuries there, especially the one by Bynum.

The announcers went out of their way to commend the officials and the way they managed and had control of the game.

A sad way to end Phil Jackson's career. Really embarrassing for the league.

10 game suspension plus $100K? Thats a lot of money...

Although I didnt want Kobe to tie MJ, Phil didnt deserve to go out like that.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by tref

10 game suspension plus $100K? Thats a lot of money....

It ought to be a lot of money!

I don't give a crap how "frustrated" he was. After the game, he said something like "those guys were just going down the lane all day on us and I got tired of it." Bynum was just a thug on his hit of a defenseless, airborne shooter who subsequently crashed to the floor and could have been severly injured.

[APG]

The league saves 10+ game suspension for the really egregious stuff on the court...think when Carmelo sucker punched a Knicks player awhile back. I believe he got 14 games for that. And $100,000 again is saved for what the league views as really bad stuff...especially for on the court actions.

If I had to venture, Bynum will get anymore from a 2-5 game suspension...probably closer to five because he missed two games due to a flagrant foul penalty two on a similar play...and a $50,000 fine. No way that's a 10 game suspension.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Those two fouls were two of the most "bush league" flagrant whacks I've ever seen (including the Ron Artest inexcusable whack of a few games before). ...

Odom's was unnecessary and deserving of 1-game suspension. Bynum was flagrantly flagrant and deserving of a major suspension.

I actually think Artest's ended up a lot worse then he intended. Looked like he was attempting to foul Berrea (sp??) and the collision with his teammate caused the clothesline. Artest's foul was easily the least flagrant and least intentional of the 3.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Odom's was unnecessary and deserving of 1-game suspension. Bynum was flagrantly flagrant and deserving of a major suspension.

I actually think Artest's ended up a lot worse then he intended. Looked like he was attempting to foul Berrea (sp??) and the collision with his teammate caused the clothesline. Artest's foul was easily the least flagrant and least intentional of the 3.

You know, right after the game there were a lot of apologists saying, "He was just trying to foul, and inadvertently clotheslined him." Seems to me that just like an accidental shooting while committing another crime is no longer an accident ... an accidental flagrant while trying to foul is no longer an accident. It irks me that "he was trying to foul" somehow gets him off the hook or makes it less serious.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

You know, right after the game there were a lot of apologists saying, "He was just trying to foul, and inadvertently clotheslined him." Seems to me that just like an accidental shooting while committing another crime is no longer an accident ... an accidental flagrant while trying to foul is no longer an accident. It irks me that "he was trying to foul" somehow gets him off the hook or makes it less serious.

Makes a difference when penalizing and judging intent. He was, IMO, not trying to do anything flagrant. He was just trying to grab Berrea to foul him.

What was the "crime" you think Artest was trying to commit?