Mavericks v Lakers

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Makes a difference when penalizing and judging intent. He was, IMO, not trying to do anything flagrant. He was just trying to grab Berrea to foul him.

What was the "crime" you think Artest was trying to commit?

Is it not correct that fouling is against the rules? In that analogy, that is the "crime". Doing something flagrant completely on accident is one thing. Doing something flagrant while trying on purpose to do something illegal should not be LESS - and if you listened to the commentators - it seemed that was the excuse.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Is it not correct that fouling is against the rules? In that analogy, that is the "crime". Doing something flagrant completely on accident is one thing. Doing something flagrant while trying on purpose to do something illegal should not be LESS - and if you listened to the commentators - it seemed that was the excuse.

It may be against the rules, but it's an accepted part of the game. Teams do it all the time with the full intent of accepting the consequences (FTs and increased foul count).

Purposeful fouls happen all the time at the end of games and in the lane.

As has been stated, the foul itself is usually enough to make a game-time call; but intent could certainly come into play when deciding how long to suspend the offending player.

[APG]

Originally Posted by hoopsaddict

I haven't seen Bynum's foul that people are referring to from 2-3 years ago. However I did see Bynum's foul from yesterday. I'm not sure people really understand how violent and "bush league" Bynum's foul was. A player who is airborn is compeltely defensless. To me, Bynum's foul was criminal and he should be suspended likewise. Anything less than a 10 game suspension would be down right unacceptable to me.

Not even close to the worse foul I've seen...do I think it was "bush league"....sure do. Criminal? Not in anyone's wildest dreams on a basketball court. What you're saying is Bynum should be suspended anywhere from 30 games to the entirety of next season...that's what Stephen Jackson and Ron Artest (73 regular + 13 post) missed respectively for their role in the Pacers-Pistons brawl for which they were charges brought against them....and that wasn't even for a basketball related foul.

[JugglingReferee]

JR.... what do you think about these fouls by the Lakers?

[Nevadaref]

I agree with APG's assessment. Odom's could have been a flagrant 1 under different circumstances, but here it was best to get him off the court. Bynum has a great deal of growing up to do. Flagrant 2 and 10 game ban is appropriate.

Now who knows what Cuban said to Jackson after the game? That is what I wish to learn.

[BktBallRef]

Two months ago, Bynum was called for a flagrant 2 against Michael Beasley.

Two seasons ago, Bynum committed a flagrant foul on Ben Wallace, sending him to the hospital with a broken rib. I don't know if it was a flagrant 1 or 2.

Both fouls were just like the foul on Sunday. Bynum jumps and drives his forearm/elbow into an airborne shooter. You can find all three on youTube.

[grunewar]

He said he's sorry.......and I'm sure he's very, very sincere.

Los Angeles Lakers' Andrew Bynum apologizes for ugly shot on Dallas Mavericks' J.J. Barea - ESPN Los Angeles

[Adam]

Originally Posted by grunewar

He said he's sorry.......and I'm sure he's very, very sincere.

Los Angeles Lakers' Andrew Bynum apologizes for ugly shot on Dallas Mavericks' J.J. Barea - ESPN Los Angeles

The time for a meaningful apology was, at the latest, immediately after the game.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The time for a meaningful apology was, at the latest, immediately after the game.

+1 He is the new Artest, apparently.

[APG]

Los Angeles Lakers' Andrew Bynum suspended 5 games for J.J. Barea foul, fined $25K - ESPN Los Angeles

Got it right...five games it is plus a $25,000 fine. And the NBA only fined for taking off the shirt. I would have been shocked if they added games on for it. All and all he'll lose out on $702,272.