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[Welpe]

The point is Billy's list is not intended to be a comprehensive list of what is legal and what is not (though I'm sure he has that stashed away somewhere ). His list is intended to debunk some commonly held basketball myths.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by Welpe

The point is Billy's list is not intended to be a comprehensive list of what is legal and what is not (though I'm sure he has that stashed away somewhere ). His list is intended to debunk some commonly held basketball myths.

Gotcha.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Welpe

The point is Billy's list is not intended to be a comprehensive list of what is legal and what is not (though I'm sure he has that stashed away somewhere ). His list is intended to debunk some commonly held basketball myths.

Billy committed heresy in Randall's eyes. He posted something with clarity.

Randall doesn't believe it's possible to explain anything and still be right in fewer than 1000 words.

Still waiting for the first time Randall posts an actual rule. Guess the a$$-hat thinks everyone walks around with a rule book in their back pocket.

He's a clown.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Welpe

The point is Billy's list is not intended to be a comprehensive list of what is legal and what is not (though I'm sure he has that stashed away somewhere ). His list is intended to debunk some commonly held basketball myths.

Exactly. And if someone could describe a situation in which merely touching the rim would create an advantage, I suppose that would show Billy's statement to be slightly inadequate.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Exactly. And if someone could describe a situation in which merely touching the rim would create an advantage, I suppose that would show Billy's statement to be slightly inadequate.

Any of you guys ever seen a high school player with the ability to contact the ring or backboard and use it to their advantage somehow? I don't think I've ever seen that, including as a spectator.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

Any of you guys ever seen a high school player with the ability to contact the ring or backboard and use it to their advantage somehow?

Yes. Several times and in different ways.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes. Several times and in different ways.

And always involving either slapping, pushing, or grasping; never mere "touching."

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And always involving either slapping, pushing, or grasping; never mere "touching."

Grasping and slapping, yes, but describe the pushing for me. Are we talking using the board/ring to reposition themselves to block a shot, get a rebound, or what?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And always involving either slapping, pushing, or grasping; never mere "touching."

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

A1 goes up for a 2 handed dunk, while airborn he loses control of the ball & grabs the rim with his left hand before dunking the ball with his right hand.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by tref

A1 goes up for a 2 handed dunk, while airborn he loses control of the ball & grabs the rim with his left hand before dunking the ball with his right hand.

An interesting one: Isn't that legal, because done while dunking? Does the "before" element make it illegal? What about shooting motion? Did you call it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tref

A1 goes up for a 2 handed dunk, while airborn he loses control of the ball & grabs the rim with his left hand before dunking the ball with his right hand.

I'd "T" that one up under 10-3-3 instead of 10-3-4. The ball is dead on the initial grab so the subsequent dunk with a dead ball is ignored(unless you're MTD Sr. )

You have to make sure that another player wasn't underneath A1 though when he grabbed the ring. If so, you can still make 10-4-4(a) fit also. Same result.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Yes. Several times and in different ways.

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

[APG]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

Believe me when I say, when you see it, it'll be patently blatant, and it'll call itself.

[RandyBrown]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Believe me when I say, when you see it, it'll be patently blatant, and it'll call itself.

It will probably have to. In one of my first AAU games, I witnessed a kid make one of the most fluid hook and spin moves for an easy lay-in I have ever seen. It came toward me from the block across the key while in Lead. I was so shocked, I could do nothing but admire it (along with the even more mesmerized spectator standing behind me). Same thing happened later in the game by a very small player on the same team. Again, while in Lead, he grabs the jersey of a much larger opponent under the basket during rebounding, precisely at the moment the opponent tries to go up for the rebound, and then quickly released. The opponent didn't even know it had happened. Again, I was dumbfounded, and unable to react. I was not prepared for those sorts of tactics at that level.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RandyBrown

In case I ever see it while working, please share, and maybe I'll be prepared. By the way, did you T it under 10-3-4a?

Defensive player puts one hand on one side of the board to steady himself and swats the ball away on the other side with the other hand. "T" for the hand on the board and possible goaltending or basket interference on the swat.

Defensive player grabs the ring with one hand and swats a try away with the other. Same result. Technical foul and possible GT or BI.