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[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You do not watch a lot of NBA games I see.

Peace

Correct. See my post above yours

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

Correct. See my post above yours

I saw the post. But you are not the first that listens more to the media than watches actual games. If you did, you would not be surprised by traveling being called in the NBA. No big deal, just if you watch games you will stop believing the media when they make statements about the NBA. You know like the stars get all the calls is a myth too they repeat. I am not a huge fan of the NBA, but I do watch games from time to time and see things are not always what is written or talked about.

Peace

[stiffler3492]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I saw the post. But you are not the first that listens more to the media than watches actual games. If you did, you would not be surprised by traveling being called in the NBA. No big deal, just if you watch games you will stop believing the media when they make statements about the NBA. You know like the stars get all the calls is a myth too they repeat. I am not a huge fan of the NBA, but I do watch games from time to time and see things are not always what is written or talked about.

Peace

I'm well aware that traveling is not non-existent in the NBA, my thread title was tongue in cheek.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by stiffler3492

I'm well aware that traveling is not non-existent in the NBA, my thread title was tongue in cheek.

So was mine!

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I saw the post. But you are not the first that listens more to the media than watches actual games. If you did, you would not be surprised by traveling being called in the NBA. No big deal, just if you watch games you will stop believing the media when they make statements about the NBA. You know like the stars get all the calls is a myth too they repeat. I am not a huge fan of the NBA, but I do watch games from time to time and see things are not always what is written or talked about.

It's not the traveling that is being called. It's the traveling that isn't being called. You know, the "crab dribbles" of the world.

It's more a question of consistency in play calling imo.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

It's not the traveling that is being called. It's the traveling that isn't being called. You know, the "crab dribbles" of the world.

It's more a question of consistency in play calling imo.

We all know your position on the NBA, but then again I wonder if you even watch. No point in talking to you about what actually goes on in that league.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We all know your position on the NBA, but then again I wonder if you even watch. No point in talking to you about what actually goes on in that league.

Well, I made that preceding post after watching LeBron James take 5 freaking steps to the basket without a whistle. He just kept taking 'em until he got there. Does that answer your question?

I turn the NBA games on occasionally when there's nothing else to watch. And every time that I do, I can NOT tell you or anybody else what either a foul or traveling is supposed to be in that league. And I ain't the only one either, Jeff.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, I made that preceding post after watching LeBron James take 5 freaking steps to the basket without a whistle. He just kept taking 'em until he got there. Does that answer your question?

OK and I could make similar statements in any game I see with the feet shuffled or the moves that go uncalled. Heck there are many situations in the NCAA Men's Tournament where that same thing could be said. I do not think that the officials are just ignoring the rules. And do not get me started with all the travels I see called during HS games that clearly are not there on basic moves that are legal, like a jump stop. It is a running joke in my area that suburban officials do not see this move and automatically call it a travel.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I turn the NBA games on occasionally when there's nothing else to watch. And every time that I do, I can NOT tell you or anybody else what either a foul or traveling is supposed to be in that league. And I ain't the only one either, Jeff.

For one they have different rules about the post (which I was unaware of until very recently) and they allow certain things other levels do not allow. That is there right like the NFL has rules that do not apply at the college or HS level. Not sure the shock there. But to say you cannot identify a foul seems rather silly to me. For one these are better athletes and higher leapers that might have something to do with what you identify. Secondly they call things much more consistently than I ever see at a HS game for sure and in many college games. Then again, you have to actually talk to people that work those levels to maybe understand what some broadcaster says. I did not say you were the only one and honestly that is not the point. But that does not mean you are educated on the issue either. And I am not the only one that reads your comments about the NBA and feels you are way off base. But then again some of us have tried to learn what those guys do and have talked or been to clinics with NBA officials and sit from a far complaining it is not like the level "we" work. Just like I do when I want to understand what I see in football and why a holding is seen differently than the level I work.

Oh well, we have had this discussion before. We will just have to agree to disagree once again.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

OK and I could make similar statements in any game I see with the feet shuffled or the moves that go uncalled. Heck there are many situations in the NCAA Men's Tournament where that same thing could be said. I do not think that the officials are just ignoring the rules. And do not get me started with all the travels I see called during HS games that clearly are not there on basic moves that are legal, like a jump stop. It is a running joke in my area that suburban officials do not see this move and automatically call it a travel.

Must be an area thing; suburban officials here see it plenty and call it correctly. Even at the JV level.

[Victor74]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I saw the post. But you are not the first that listens more to the media than watches actual games. If you did, you would not be surprised by traveling being called in the NBA. No big deal, just if you watch games you will stop believing the media when they make statements about the NBA. You know like the stars get all the calls is a myth too they repeat. I am not a huge fan of the NBA, but I do watch games from time to time and see things are not always what is written or talked about.

Peace

THank you. People will believe what it is they want to believe. The common and misinformed opinion is that NBA officials are terrible. Watch an NBA game with NBA rule knowledge and you'll come away with more respect for those officials. They do have a 97-98% accuracy rate. And in the NBA, the key word in determining what is and what is not a travel often times is the word "gather". What that really means can be open to interpretation, but they have to gather the ball. Travelling, palming and even double dribbling are called in the NBA (which I attend 22 games).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Victor74

The common and misinformed opinion is that NBA officials are terrible.

Actually the common opinion is that NBA officials are fine. They're doing exactly what they're being told to do. It's their supervision that's suspect.

The league is solely entertainment based and the league wants it officiated that way. That's why the stars are allowed their crab dribbles and rarely foul out.

JMO

[Jay R]

I have an NBA rules question maybe someone could answer regarding the Heat-Wizards game.

During play, Z. Ilgausskas (sp?) and John Hall get tangled up. Javel Mcghee (sp?) tries to join in and Juwan Howard comes in and shoves Mcghee. There is some further shoving and words. The refs look at the monitor and assess all four players a technical and three of the four are ejected from the game. When play resumes, each team shoots two free throws and the Heat get the ball back. How do four technicals and three ejections result in each team getting two free throws?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Jay R

I have an NBA rules question maybe someone could answer regarding the Heat-Wizards game.

During play, Z. Ilgausskas (sp?) and John Hall get tangled up. Javel Mcghee (sp?) tries to join in and Juwan Howard comes in and shoves Mcghee. There is some further shoving and words. The refs look at the monitor and assess all four players a technical and three of the four are ejected from the game. When play resumes, each team shoots two free throws and the Heat get the ball back. How do four technicals and three ejections result in each team getting two free throws?

I didn't see the play and don't know NBA rules, but here's a guess: 1 live-ball flagrant personal foul, 2 offsetting flagrant technical fouls, and 1 other technical. Shoot the free throws for the flagrant personal and other technical.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Jay R

I have an NBA rules question maybe someone could answer regarding the Heat-Wizards game.

During play, Z. Ilgausskas (sp?) and John Hall get tangled up. Javel Mcghee (sp?) tries to join in and Juwan Howard comes in and shoves Mcghee. There is some further shoving and words. The refs look at the monitor and assess all four players a technical and three of the four are ejected from the game. When play resumes, each team shoots two free throws and the Heat get the ball back. How do four technicals and three ejections result in each team getting two free throws?

After going back and looking at the game again, the officials went to replay due to a player altercation that was not immediately resolved. After the replay, they assessed a flagrant foul penalty two to Ilgausskas for deliberately swinging his elbow and making unnecessary and excessive contact and John Wall for his swing and hit with his forearm/elbow. Those two were ejected. Juwan Howard was issued a technical foul and was ejected because he was an escalator during the altercation. McGhee was also issued a technical foul but wasn't ejected. The two technical fouls become double technical fouls and cancel out. Shoot the free throws for Ilgausskas' flagrant foul since it occurred first, shoot the shots for Wall's flagrant foul. Since his occurred last, Heat have the ball at the free throw line extended in their frontcourt with a fresh 24 second shot clock.

To conclude:
2 FF'2= 4 FTS
2 T= Double T's so no FTs awarded

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

According to the stats at ESPN.com, there have been 63 total ejections this year, out of about 1140 total games played. On average there is one ejection for every 18 games played.