Syracuse/Marquette Official

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Initially, that is NOT what I saw, as I was focused only on his feet. Easily, a travel call in that instance, assuming he had control of the ball when his first foot landed. But, it appears to me that until he gathered the ball in and had both hands on it, that he did not have control of it. In that case, would it just be ugly looking because he did not lift his left foot prior to starting the dribble?

I have no argument at all with what you are saying. I've just looked at the replay about 10-15 times and it's still not definitive either way to me.

My problem is with what Lurker described and saying it's not a travel.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And now that I'm re-reading this entire thread, who the f**k circled the wagons? May you be so kind to point the specific post that indicates a "circling of the wagons"?

He may be the coach of one of the teams I had last week. I knew it was going to be a long game when he called his "set" play. It was called: Circle The Wagons. ISUN!

Also, are we sure it wasn't a 10 sec back court?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Judtech

It was called: Circle The Wagons.

Hey - at least it wasn't called "Circle The Biebers"!

[bball_lurker]

WOW! some of you guys might want to consider decaf.

Let me translate circling the wagons in this case.

The ref makes a bad call. He apologizes it was a bad call. And yet people here are talking like parents in the stands. "what about the travel? he traveled! Hey ref, look for the travel!" Although in this case, instead of admitting fault of a fellow ref and moving on, the finger pointing at the travel is to "circle the wagons"

In my view, with this sort of thing, it is better to take an impartial view.

BTW, wrong time of the month for some of yall? Full moon maybe?

[APG]

Except what we do as officials is break down plays and judge whether the correct rule was applied and whether it was accurate. Yes there was an incorrect backcourt violation call. There was also a travel that would have occured. It's not an indictment on the official or his abilities. If we can't do that, then forget any of us getting any better from learning from the mistakes of others.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

WOW! some of you guys might want to consider decaf.

Let me translate circling the wagons in this case.

The ref makes a bad call. He apologizes it was a bad call. And yet people here are talking like parents in the stands. "what about the travel? he traveled! Hey ref, look for the travel!" Although in this case, instead of admitting fault of a fellow ref and moving on, the finger pointing at the travel is to "circle the wagons"

In my view, with this sort of thing, it is better to take an impartial view.

BTW, wrong time of the month for some of yall? Full moon maybe?

You might consider reading Fun with Dick and Jane. NOBODY has said anything but it was a bad call on the backcourt ruling.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

WOW! some of you guys might want to consider decaf.

Let me translate circling the wagons in this case.

The ref makes a bad call. He apologizes it was a bad call. And yet people here are talking like parents in the stands. "what about the travel? he traveled! Hey ref, look for the travel!" Although in this case, instead of admitting fault of a fellow ref and moving on, the finger pointing at the travel is to "circle the wagons"

In my view, with this sort of thing, it is better to take an impartial view.

BTW, wrong time of the month for some of yall? Full moon maybe?

On behalf of all of us, piss off until March 2012, fanboy. If you can't understand the answers you're given, you don't belong here.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

WOW! some of you guys might want to consider decaf.

Let me translate circling the wagons in this case.

The ref makes a bad call. He apologizes it was a bad call. And yet people here are talking like parents in the stands. "what about the travel? he traveled! Hey ref, look for the travel!" Although in this case, instead of admitting fault of a fellow ref and moving on, the finger pointing at the travel is to "circle the wagons"

In my view, with this sort of thing, it is better to take an impartial view.

BTW, wrong time of the month for some of yall? Full moon maybe?

No, we just abhor morons who point fingers yet don't even know what constitutes a travel.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

WOW! some of you guys might want to consider decaf.

Let me translate circling the wagons in this case.

The ref makes a bad call. He apologizes it was a bad call. And yet people here are talking like parents in the stands. "what about the travel? he traveled! Hey ref, look for the travel!" Although in this case, instead of admitting fault of a fellow ref and moving on, the finger pointing at the travel is to "circle the wagons"

In my view, with this sort of thing, it is better to take an impartial view.

BTW, wrong time of the month for some of yall? Full moon maybe?

We knew he made a bad call within a minute after the play occurred. You're kinda slow. Maybe that's why we moved on to discussing whether or not there was a travel and you're still sitting in the stands showing us why you are not an official and never will be.

Still waiting for you to explain how catching the ball in the air and then landing on your right foot doesn't make your right foot the pivot. Let us know when you'll admit that mistake instead of circling your wagon or whatever it is you do when sitting alone in front of a computer.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bball_lurker

WOW! some of you guys might want to consider decaf.

Let me translate circling the wagons in this case.

The ref makes a bad call. He apologizes it was a bad call. And yet people here are talking like parents in the stands. "what about the travel? he traveled! Hey ref, look for the travel!" Although in this case, instead of admitting fault of a fellow ref and moving on, the finger pointing at the travel is to "circle the wagons"

In my view, with this sort of thing, it is better to take an impartial view.

BTW, wrong time of the month for some of yall? Full moon maybe?

I am very late to this discussion and I know you are a dumbazz. The only thing I cared about was this a travel. It was obvious the BC violation was not right.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, if going be sarcastic at least know the travelling rule first.

Right foot lands on division line (establishing pivot foot); left foot lands in front court; right if lifted off of division line and placed completely in front court (travelling).

Technically, that isn't correct.

The right foot doesn't actually become the pivot foot until the left foot touches in a a step.....that is the nuance in the rule that allows for the jump stop. A player landing on one foot can either establish a pivot foot by stepping with the other foot or they may execute a jumpstop and not have a pivot foot at all.

[just another ref]

If one wants to find an uncalled travel in this tournament, he will have no trouble doing so, in pretty much every game.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If one wants to find an uncalled travel in this tournament, he will have no trouble doing so, in pretty much every game.

If one wants to find an uncalled travel in ANY basketball game, he will not have trouble doing so, at any level.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

If one wants to find an uncalled travel in ANY basketball game, he will not have trouble doing so, at any level.

"Ggggeeetttt him here!!!!"

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

If one wants to find an uncalled travel in ANY basketball game, he will not have trouble doing so, at any level.

This may be true, but in NCAAM now there are so many that are so obvious, that I can't help but believe this is done by design in certain situation.

Scoring plays, perhaps? Tonight Plumlee for Duke, not the most deceptively nimble guy on the floor, caught the ball on the left side of the rim, took a big step across to the right side on his right foot, followed by the left. Then went up flat footed off 2 feet and dunked. No call.

This was one like my son used to call in front of the tv...........when he was about 8 years old.