2011 Tournament Discussion Redux

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

End of UCLA and Mich. St. - last couple of seconds.
From my view V1 catches the ball with both feet off the floor, step right foot, then left foot, pushing ball to the floor, then right foot touches floor again.

(Correct my description if neccessary.)

I don't think the described play is travilling. The official called it a travel. I have no horse in the race, but would like a more expert opinion. I am open to being incorrect. Regardless, someone please teach me or confirm my thinking.

The right foot became the pivot foot because that was the first foot to touch the floor by the airborne player.

You did not mention when the right foot was lifted from the floor after he took a step with the left foot.

If the right (pivot) foot was lifted *before* the ball was released on the dribble, it is a travel.

If the right (pivot) foot was not lifted before the ball was released on the dribble, it is a not travel.

(Not sure if you're a referee or not. If you, then you should know to include all crucial information!)

[Raymond]

It was a travel, no doubt about it. Official was slow with his whistle but he nailed the call.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

The right foot became the pivot foot because that was the first foot to touch the floor by the airborne player.

You did not mention when the right foot was lifted from the floor after he took a step with the left foot.

If the right (pivot) foot was lifted *before* the ball was released on the dribble, it is a travel.

If the right (pivot) foot was not lifted before the ball was released on the dribble, it is a not travel.

(Not sure if you're a referee or not. If you, then you should know to include all crucial information!)

Used to officiate - quit due to time constraints just as I was beginning to get serious with it. I still lend my time to the local Upward (1st - 6th grade) basketball program.

Thanks for the correction. You spurred my to re-read the jumpstop rule (NCAA). I was incorrectly thinking there was some crazy jumpstop rule that gave him the extra step.

[Mark Padgett]

With 4:47 to go in the Arizona - Memphis game this afternoon on CBS, the score was tied and an Arizona player gets called for a foul. The camera pans then over to Arizona HC Sean Miller to get his reaction and he's picking his nose!

[grunewar]

I always find that comical. Usually see it during baseball games with all the bored bench players and bull pen guys just a hangin out!

[refiator]

The foul against Butler with time expiring was either the worst call I have ever seen or the guttiest.
Not many officials would blow their whistles in that circumstance. I am still not sure there was enough contact to make that call, but kudos for having the balls to call it. That one was big time.

[refiator]

Hindsight..Good call....Statement still stands. Very few have what it takes to make that call.

[rulesmaven]

Teams have scored with less time going full court in the tournament. You have to give the player the chance to play the ball. Easy call to me.

Can't wait for a week of "swallow the whistle talk." The Pitt kid on the rebounding action really gave the ref no choice.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by rulesmaven

Teams have scored with less time going full court in the tournament. You have to give the player the chance to play the ball. Easy call to me.

Can't wait for a week of "swallow the whistle talk." The Pitt kid on the rebounding action really gave the ref no choice.

I guess when James Madison said to officiate until the game is over, the officials took heed.

[BktBallRef]

Both calls were good calls. If you don't have the balls to blow either of those fouls, I don't want to be on the floor with you.

[Jurassic Referee]

That had to be two of the stoopidest fouls committed that I've ever seen. Absolutely dumb!

Don't kill the messenger. He did his job...and did it well.

[Texas Aggie]

Teams have scored with less time going full court in the tournament.

There was 1.4 seconds on the clock. Can you give me an example of any teams that have gone full court and scored in 1.3 or less?

The first call was correct. Player was forced into either a travel or OOB by contact. No choice but to call a foul. Second one should have been ignored. Even IF you can make a case for a foul in that situation, the score is tied with little chance of a score absent a call. Leave it alone, play 5 minutes more and then any call or no-call becomes moot.

Had one team been ahead, you can argue the foul. If there's a chance for OT, absent the prevention of a valid scoring attempt, go to OT. There's no advantage gained by grabbing an arm 90 feet from the basket with about a second left. No one here has yet made the case for such an advantage. Ordinarily, without an unfair advantage in a contact situation, we're going to leave it alone.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by rulesmaven

Can't wait for a week of "swallow the whistle talk."

Amen. A couple of my friends on Facebook have started in with "let the players decide the game" crud. I have half a mind to pick a fight with them.

[refiator]

The players DO decide the game, Fortunately, they have high quality officials present to enforce the rules.

[Spence]

Kemba had a breakout. #32 for UC attempts to block. Makes body contact from behind while Kemba is in the air and then fouls him going for the block. Both officials signal what I assume to mean excessive and not intentional. Seemed correct to me but I do not know what the wording of the NCAA rule is. Can someone paste it for me?