Another suggested FED rule change

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Ok one rule change to be made, get rid of a full scoreboard. For display, only show game time (& shot clock for those states that use it).

What would be the point of this rule change? Coaches would never go for this because they want to know the exact score when possible and not have to ask the scorer. As an official, I want to know the score...especially in late game situations. As a fan, I shouldn't have to keep a running score myself.

Who benefits from this? I can't think of anyone whom would benefit. I know you talk about your lower level games and having issues, but I think you overstate how often this happens. I've done my fair share of games at that level and it's 98 percent never an issue. And if there is, it gets corrected real easily. Now if you're talking about foul counts and player counts, I'm not concerned about that at lower levels. Usually only get that at the varsity level consistently and every scoreboard operator that I have worked with at the level knows what they are doing.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

What would be the point of this rule change? Coaches would never go for this because they want to know the exact score when possible and not have to ask the scorer. As an official, I want to know the score...especially in late game situations. As a fan, I shouldn't have to keep a running score myself.

Who benefits from this? I can't think of anyone whom would benefit. I know you talk about your lower level games and having issues, but I think you overstate how often this happens. I've done my fair share of games at that level and it's 98 percent never an issue. And if there is, it gets corrected real easily. Now if you're talking about foul counts and player counts, I'm not concerned about that at lower levels. Usually only get that at the varsity level consistently and every scoreboard operator that I have worked with at the level knows what they are doing.

Sometimes, it is better to stop talking [or posting]. Especially if you are a scoreboard operator who is clueless.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

What would be the point of this rule change? Coaches would never go for this because they want to know the exact score when possible and not have to ask the scorer. As an official, I want to know the score...especially in late game situations. As a fan, I shouldn't have to keep a running score myself.

Who benefits from this? I can't think of anyone whom would benefit. I know you talk about your lower level games and having issues, but I think you overstate how often this happens. I've done my fair share of games at that level and it's 98 percent never an issue. And if there is, it gets corrected real easily. Now if you're talking about foul counts and player counts, I'm not concerned about that at lower levels. Usually only get that at the varsity level consistently and every scoreboard operator that I have worked with at the level knows what they are doing.

How many fans actually go to a game anymore & watch a full game?

Cell phones, friends/acquaintances, kids....there's always something other than the game happening where the fans cannot put their undivided attention on the game.

Same thing can be said of any sporting event/concert, no one really sees the whole thing due to some sort of distraction.

By not having the points posted, would make the fans have to put more attention into what's happening on the court.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How many fans actually go to a game anymore & watch a full game?

Cell phones, friends/acquaintances, kids....there's always something other than the game happening where the fans cannot put their undivided attention on the game.

Same thing can be said of any sporting event/concert, no one really sees the whole thing due to some sort of distraction.

By not having the points posted, would make the fans have to put more attention into what's happening on the court.

I believe the vast majority of fans that PAID money to go to a game are paying attention the vast majority of the game. I don't even know where you get the idea that fans aren't paying attention to most of the game. And you know what...even if they aren't paying attention, whom does that hurt? What about the players and coaches who need to know the score? And how knowing the score without having to ask the scorer helps officials?

If you don't keep the score showing, you're just making a less fan friendly atmosphere. And instead of allegedly not having fans pay attention (by your assertion which I think is silly), you might just have fans not decide to go.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I believe the vast majority of fans that PAID money to go to a game are paying attention the vast majority of the game. I don't even know where you get the idea that fans aren't paying attention to most of the game. And you know what...even if they aren't paying attention, whom does that hurt? What about the players and coaches who need to know the score? And how knowing the score without having to ask the scorer helps officials?

If you don't keep the score showing, you're just making a less fan friendly atmosphere. And instead of allegedly not having fans pay attention (by your assertion which I think is silly), you might just have fans not decide to go.

There are acceptable distractions: having to use the restroom or having a food craving.

Baseball teams give out as part of their programs scorecards for fans to keep track of the stats themselves (of course not everyone does that), so there's more fan participation there that keeps the fan interest in the game.

My point was that (concerning cell phones & friends/acquaintances) public gatherings have turned into social gatherings to find out the latest happenings instead of all the focus being on the event itself.

I know for a fact that some people just go to sporting events just to be there to be part of the crowd & to socialize.

Some go to games just to watch one player, & will not watch unless that player is playing. Some go to games because they have nothing else to do.

Yes, having the score posted may be important, however why should all the focus in interscholastic athletics be the score? How about just going out & doing your best whether you win or lose?

Far too often in the media there's news reports about unsporting games because of what the score ended up as, where's the news reports about a game where both teams played their best & the score did not actually matter?

Interscholastic athletics are supposed to be an extension of the classroom, instilling good morales & values into tomorrow's leaders, how can that be done if all anyone cares about the score?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

There are acceptable distractions: having to use the restroom or having a food craving.

....blah, blah, blah

chseagle, I'm usually one of the more patient and tolerant members of the forum when it comes to your postings however I think you need to realize that you now have gone overboard on this now very off-topic subject.

What was discussed as it applied to the table personnel was implementing shot clocks at the high school level. Some want it, some don't. I gave my reasons why I don't want it and you have gone off the deep end with it.

[APG]

You don't want to keep score and play for fun, go join a rec league where that's the singular focus. At the high school level and above at the scholastic level, there's nothing wrong with being competitive and keeping score. It's the coach's, AD's, and parent's job to help keep the proper perspective for the players.

The crazy thing about those baseball games where they give out those cards...they still keep the score on the scoreboard! GASP! And you want those very same people who you allege to not pay attention to the game to start paying attention by making them keep score? And you want the schools to pay for all that extra paper that isn't going to be used...when a lot of schools can't even afford a third official?! What if a fan doesn't have a writting utensil? We gonna provide pencils as well? Sounds like we're given a test rather than letting them watch a d*** game of basketball.

CHS, I can't really believe you're suggesting this seriously.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The crazy thing about those baseball games where they give out those cards...they still keep the score on the scoreboard! GASP!

In the major league stadiums, they ever break the number of runs scored by inning.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Welpe

In the major league stadiums, they ever break the number of runs scored by inning.

I heard the advanced ones show hits and errors as well. And the super duper advanced ones keep score of OTHER games.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

The crazy thing about those baseball games where they give out those cards...they still keep the score on the scoreboard! GASP! And you want those very same people who you allege to not pay attention to the game to start paying attention by making them keep score? And you want the schools to pay for all that extra paper that isn't going to be used...when a lot of schools can't even afford a third official?! What if a fan doesn't have a writting utensil? We gonna provide pencils as well? Sounds like we're given a test rather than letting them watch a d*** game of basketball.

You missed the point where I said not everyone does do the stats on the scorecard.

Then again, baseball is relatively low scoring as is hockey.

Just throwing out suggestions even if a bit nonsensical, to get everyone discussing.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

You missed the point where I said not everyone does do the stats on the scorecard.

Then again, baseball is relatively low scoring as is hockey.

Just throwing out suggestions even if a bit nonsensical, to get everyone discussing.

No I got your point. So what about people that don't want to do the stats? With your point about baseball, even if a fan doesn't want to keep score, there's a means for them to know the score, hits, and and errors committed...by way of SCOREBOARD!

There's throwing suggestions, then there's throwing unrealistic ideas that don't even make sense. Guess which yours fit in.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chseagle

There are acceptable distractions: having to use the restroom or having a food craving.

My point was that (concerning cell phones & friends/acquaintances) public gatherings have turned into social gatherings to find out the latest happenings instead of all the focus being on the event itself.

I know for a fact that some people just go to sporting events just to be there to be part of the crowd & to socialize.

So what?

Are you going to police the fans because they are not enjoying the game in a manner that you authorize?

Get over yourself.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Welpe

So what?

Are you going to police the fans because they are not enjoying the game in a manner that you authorize?

The only way to police the fans is if they get out of control or they are taking the enjoyment of the game away from others by being disruptive.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The only way to police the fans is if they get out of control or they are taking the enjoyment of the game away from others by being disruptive.

That's just a cryin' shame in your eyes, isn't it?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by chseagle

There are acceptable distractions: having to use the restroom or having a food craving.

Baseball teams give out as part of their programs scorecards for fans to keep track of the stats themselves (of course not everyone does that), so there's more fan participation there that keeps the fan interest in the game.

My point was that (concerning cell phones & friends/acquaintances) public gatherings have turned into social gatherings to find out the latest happenings instead of all the focus being on the event itself.

I know for a fact that some people just go to sporting events just to be there to be part of the crowd & to socialize.

Some go to games just to watch one player, & will not watch unless that player is playing. Some go to games because they have nothing else to do.

Yes, having the score posted may be important, however why should all the focus in interscholastic athletics be the score? How about just going out & doing your best whether you win or lose?

Far too often in the media there's news reports about unsporting games because of what the score ended up as, where's the news reports about a game where both teams played their best & the score did not actually matter?

Interscholastic athletics are supposed to be an extension of the classroom, instilling good morales & values into tomorrow's leaders, how can that be done if all anyone cares about the score?

Know what the bottom line is?

None of us really gives a damn about any of that. We officiate. We worry about what happens between those lines on the floor. Everything else is just freaking details. And we really don't care about timer/scorers either unless they screw up. And if one of 'em does, well, then there's always another chseagle available somewhere to plug in. I hate to break it to you but we could probably teach an orangutang to do what you do. And that includes security too. It might be a damn good idea also. Orangutangs don't talk as much as freaking chseagles, and when they do they usually make more sense.