Another suggested FED rule change

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Not always is the scorer keeping the scorebook up to date, in which case new personnel should be found to be the scorer.

As I have said before, if the only official information on the scoreboard is the time remaining, then what gives coaches the right/privilege to complain about the information on the scoreboard?

Some scoreboards have the same capabilities of the scorebook by keeping track of the active players & player point & foul totals, so that information is not considered official? If that information is not official then why do coaches yell about errors in that information?

2 ways to prevent that.

1) Make sure the timer is posting the score in a timely fashion.

2) Inform the official(s) if/when you are getting too much chatter from the coaches.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

2 ways to prevent that.

1) Make sure the timer is posting the score in a timely fashion.

2) Inform the official(s) if/when you are getting too much chatter from the coaches.

LMAO The only times I've used a scoreboard so far that has individual player stats on it has been the JUCO Tournament & 3A/4A Regionals.

The regular scoreboard I am used to only copies player fouls if they get inputted. Otherwise, just have to press score+1 (+2 or +3), no need to input individual player info.

I always post the points as they happen, unless of course ruling on the court disallows the points.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Not always is the scorer keeping the scorebook up to date, in which case new personnel should be found to be the scorer.

As I have said before, if the only official information on the scoreboard is the time remaining, then what gives coaches the right/privilege to complain about the information on the scoreboard?

Some scoreboards have the same capabilities of the scorebook by keeping track of the active players & player point & foul totals, so that information is not considered official? If that information is not official then why do coaches yell about errors in that information?

Good grief, we're not giving you our opinions, we're telling you the rule. It's the only official information up there. Just because you post the number of timeouts remaining doesn't make the information official. If we think the scorebook is wrong, can we use your lights to help us? Sure, but the book is still the official score. It would be the official time, too, if there was a way to do it.

To answer your question, they yell because they see it and they think it's official. They also think it's illegal to dribble high and catch your own air ball, that doesn't mean they're right.

And coaches don't yell at the table in my games.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Good grief, we're not giving you our opinions, we're telling you the rule. It's the only official information up there. Just because you post the number of timeouts remaining doesn't make the information official. If we think the scorebook is wrong, can we use your lights to help us? Sure, but the book is still the official score. It would be the official time, too, if there was a way to do it.

To answer your question, they yell because they see it and they think it's official. They also think it's illegal to dribble high and catch your own air ball, that doesn't mean they're right.

And coaches don't yell at the table in my games.

Technically, the scorer can be the timer.

Get the scorer a couple of stopwatches (one for game clock, another as a TO/Intermission timer).

[APG]

I love how a thread about suggested NFHS rule changes is being dominated by all things, scoreboard operating....

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I love how a thread about suggested NFHS rule changes is being dominated by all things, scoreboard operating....

The scoreboard is just a formality to keep fans knowing about the game. In all reality it is not needed.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

The scoreboard is just a formality to keep fans knowing about the game. In all reality it is not needed.

Not sure what that has to do with the direction of a thread pertaining to rules changes and how it has turned into a discussion on scoreboard operation. As to your point, many on the board, including myself, have pointed out that fact.

Now if I had any say in rules changes, I would get rid of us having to be the fashion police. Safety related things....yeah, we should be on that, but uniform color, specifications, arm band color, head band color, undershirt...leave that to the head coach or the state.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Not sure what that has to do with the direction of a thread pertaining to rules changes and how it has turned into a discussion on scoreboard operation. As to your point, many on the board, including myself, have pointed out that fact.

Now if I had any say in rules changes, I would get rid of us having to be the fashion police. Safety related things....yeah, we should be on that, but uniform color, specifications, arm band color, head band color, undershirt...leave that to the head coach or the state.

Ok one rule change to be made, get rid of a full scoreboard. For display, only show game time (& shot clock for those states that use it).

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

Ok one rule change to be made, get rid of a full scoreboard. For display, only show game time (& shot clock for those states that use it).

What would be the point of this rule change? Coaches would never go for this because they want to know the exact score when possible and not have to ask the scorer. As an official, I want to know the score...especially in late game situations. As a fan, I shouldn't have to keep a running score myself.

Who benefits from this? I can't think of anyone whom would benefit. I know you talk about your lower level games and having issues, but I think you overstate how often this happens. I've done my fair share of games at that level and it's 98 percent never an issue. And if there is, it gets corrected real easily. Now if you're talking about foul counts and player counts, I'm not concerned about that at lower levels. Usually only get that at the varsity level consistently and every scoreboard operator that I have worked with at the level knows what they are doing.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

What would be the point of this rule change? Coaches would never go for this because they want to know the exact score when possible and not have to ask the scorer. As an official, I want to know the score...especially in late game situations. As a fan, I shouldn't have to keep a running score myself.

Who benefits from this? I can't think of anyone whom would benefit. I know you talk about your lower level games and having issues, but I think you overstate how often this happens. I've done my fair share of games at that level and it's 98 percent never an issue. And if there is, it gets corrected real easily. Now if you're talking about foul counts and player counts, I'm not concerned about that at lower levels. Usually only get that at the varsity level consistently and every scoreboard operator that I have worked with at the level knows what they are doing.

Sometimes, it is better to stop talking [or posting]. Especially if you are a scoreboard operator who is clueless.

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

What would be the point of this rule change? Coaches would never go for this because they want to know the exact score when possible and not have to ask the scorer. As an official, I want to know the score...especially in late game situations. As a fan, I shouldn't have to keep a running score myself.

Who benefits from this? I can't think of anyone whom would benefit. I know you talk about your lower level games and having issues, but I think you overstate how often this happens. I've done my fair share of games at that level and it's 98 percent never an issue. And if there is, it gets corrected real easily. Now if you're talking about foul counts and player counts, I'm not concerned about that at lower levels. Usually only get that at the varsity level consistently and every scoreboard operator that I have worked with at the level knows what they are doing.

How many fans actually go to a game anymore & watch a full game?

Cell phones, friends/acquaintances, kids....there's always something other than the game happening where the fans cannot put their undivided attention on the game.

Same thing can be said of any sporting event/concert, no one really sees the whole thing due to some sort of distraction.

By not having the points posted, would make the fans have to put more attention into what's happening on the court.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How many fans actually go to a game anymore & watch a full game?

Cell phones, friends/acquaintances, kids....there's always something other than the game happening where the fans cannot put their undivided attention on the game.

Same thing can be said of any sporting event/concert, no one really sees the whole thing due to some sort of distraction.

By not having the points posted, would make the fans have to put more attention into what's happening on the court.

I believe the vast majority of fans that PAID money to go to a game are paying attention the vast majority of the game. I don't even know where you get the idea that fans aren't paying attention to most of the game. And you know what...even if they aren't paying attention, whom does that hurt? What about the players and coaches who need to know the score? And how knowing the score without having to ask the scorer helps officials?

If you don't keep the score showing, you're just making a less fan friendly atmosphere. And instead of allegedly not having fans pay attention (by your assertion which I think is silly), you might just have fans not decide to go.

[Adam]

Just stop.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by chseagle

By not having the points posted, would make the fans have to put more attention into what's happening on the court.

So would setting the court on fire and releasing tigers onto the floor. Both of those options woiuld probably be more acceptable than removing the score from the SCOREboard.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How many fans actually go to a game anymore & watch a full game?

Cell phones, friends/acquaintances, kids....there's always something other than the game happening where the fans cannot put their undivided attention on the game.

Same thing can be said of any sporting event/concert, no one really sees the whole thing due to some sort of distraction.

By not having the points posted, would make the fans have to put more attention into what's happening on the court.

I believe we have reached a new plateau.