How to deal with bad refs

[Adam]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

I realize that quite well and would hope an official would take it that way. This is why I haven't said it to his face and decided to get some other opinions on it before I made an issue of it.

I appreciate all the feedback I'm getting. In the end we have the championship game Monday against the other "favored" team so we'll see what happens. My hope and message in practice is that we should execute well enough so that no other factors, other teams performance included, can affect the outcome. They're capable so it's ultimately up to them.

But if your players have heard your message and also heard you say the refs favor the other two teams, which lesson do you think they'll learn?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

The issue in point here is not that he thought it was ball. It was the comment after to me that "your PG is soft". You can rely on whatever you want in your determination as it's my issue to deal with.

If he's trying to say he thinks your pg should have played through some incidental contact, it makes sense. Either way, this comment is completely unprofessional for an official to make.

That's something I would address with league management.

Honestly, if things are as bad as you suggest, you might want to consider taking your kids to another league (or forming your own league.)

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by coach-rec

I'm not worried about credibility as my goal is not to get you to side with me. My goal was to get an opinion on the idea which several people gave some pretty good opinions on.

Okay. My opinion is you're whining and complaining about the officiating because you see it from a biased standpoint.

And I understand completely why you're not concerned with whether you have any credibility or not.

[Trap]

The reality is most officials are competent hardworking people doing their best. Most parents and coachs are passionate people who are doing the best they can for the kids. Everyone is human and do make mistakes.

My observation, many officials dont want to admit, that there are bad officials and officials have bad days. It is obvious there are bad fans and it seems everyone but them know it.

There are towns I know that hire the same officials ( usually sub varsity ) for all their games. And these officials are well known homers. That is the way it is. I guess its their view - it is the home court advantage.

Also my experience, the younger less formailized the competition, the harder it is to officate and the worse the coaches and fans. I would much rather do a varsity game than a junior high rec game anyday.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Trap

My observation, many officials dont want to admit, that there are bad officials and officials have bad days. It is obvious there are bad fans and it seems everyone but them know it.

Bulogna. I have yet to meet or talk to any official who won't admit there are bad officials.

Originally Posted by Trap

There are towns I know that hire the same officials ( usually sub varsity ) for all their games. And these officials are well known homers. That is the way it is. I guess its their view - it is the home court advantage.

I can't say I've ever talked to one of those guys, but you're calling them cheaters. Do you realize that?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Trap

......these officials are well known homers.

Well known by whom? Back when I started, the jr. high schools around here almost always hired their own officials locally. It was common to give two officials their home schedule and be done with it. I have called the entire season's games for several nearby schools at one time or another, including the one closest to my home. I have been accused of calling in favor of my home school. I have been accused, just as often, of bending over backward and calling against my home school. Critiquing my own performance, I am fairly certain the latter is more of a problem.

It's all about perception.

Quote from a coach of a nearby school: (apologetically, believe it or not)

"We don't need to play against (my home school) any more with you calling. It's just not fair."

Quote from the home coach a few years earlier: (right after a close loss)

"Nobody will ever call you homer!!"

The kicker: Both quotes were by the same guy, who had transferred from one job to the other.