Ref will get younger

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

If you make it to Division 1 basketball you have already had a ton of basketball officiating experience.

Can you, with absolute certainty, say that on the women's side when talking about women officials?

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Can you, with absolute certainty, say that on the women's side when talking about women officials?

Most officials that work Division 1 (men/women)...yes I can.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Most officials that work Division 1 (men/women)...yes I can.

Not in Women's basketball. I know of many officials that got there in 5 years. That is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

Peace

[Jeremy Hohn]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not in Women's basketball. I know of many officials that got there in 5 years. That is not a lot of experience if you ask me.

Peace

As a guy who works Women's side, I can concur completely with that above statement....

[CLH]

Originally Posted by Jeremy Hohn

As a guy who works Women's side, I can concur completely with that above statement....

As a guy who works on the women's side in D1, I can agree that happens with YOUR current supervisor (only because I workED for him too ) Here we go again playing to the typical stereotype that W officials are inferior. There are plenty of officials working D1 men's who don't have the experience either, but of course you guys have to single out the women's officials. I made it there at the age of 26, I assume by you guys standards I don't have the experience either. Always entertaining around here

[Jeremy Hohn]

Originally Posted by CLH

As a guy who works on the women's side in D1, I can agree that happens with YOUR current supervisor (only because I workED for him too ) Here we go again playing to the typical stereotype that W officials are inferior. There are plenty of officials working D1 men's who don't have the experience either, but of course you guys have to single out the women's officials. I made it there at the age of 26, I assume by you guys standards I don't have the experience either. Always entertaining around here

I have heard it plain from Kaye Garms that her goal was "to have a complete female officiating staff". I understand that most conference assignors want to reflect the race and gender of what is seen on the floor. I am only saying that I will need to be superior to a female official to be hired, because if I am only the same, the female will get the nod. I have chosen the road of the female side and have worked with Connie Pardue, John Weeks, Brian Hall, and other D1 officials and I only hope that I can understand the concepts and fit in well with the other officials at camp this summer.

I was in no way inferencing that female officials were inferior. I just think that the numbers game plays a bit of a factor for women. That being said, certain things may get you IN but being a heck of an official, male or female, will KEEP you in!

[KMBReferee]

Geez, and I thought how the NBA handled the Durant call last year was bad.

Between his comments last night without having seen the video first and now this, Adams comes off as reactionary. It sounds like he's trying to please ESPN's talking heads more than actually putting the best officials in the tournament.

The best officials, no matter what age, should call the tournament. I know that may be naive, but that's how I see it.

[NoFussRef]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

Geez, and I thought how the NBA handled the Durant call last year was bad.

Between his comments last night without having seen the video first and now this, Adams comes off as reactionary. It sounds like he's trying to please ESPN's talking heads more than actually putting the best officials in the tournament.

The best officials, no matter what age, should call the tournament. I know that may be naive, but that's how I see it.

I wouldn't say naive, NCAA and NBE I know have to worry more about the "look" of their crews, but speaking through the youth and adult wreck lens, I personally don't care how young or old my partner is- provided they can get into position and consistently make correct calls/no-calls.

I have worked with "dinosaurs" that could still beat the pack down the floor, and worked with "teenie-boppers" that had great on-court presence.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by KMBReferee

Geez, and I thought how the NBA handled the Durant call last year was bad.

Between his comments last night without having seen the video first and now this, Adams comes off as reactionary. It sounds like he's trying to please ESPN's talking heads more than actually putting the best officials in the tournament.

The best officials, no matter what age, should call the tournament. I know that may be naive, but that's how I see it.

I personally think Adams' words of "younger" is taken out of context. Most guys peak in their officiating career in their 40s in my opinion. That is when they have it all going on. They should be absolutely proficient with the rules, should still be in good shape and able to still run the floor well, and have had the amount of experience needed to be at the top of their game. So to me that is not too young. There are too many out there that are in their latter years who can't run, etc. and are on the decline. Although I think these men have contributed greatly to the game, I would still like to see them around the game, therefore I think they should be advisors to the NCAA, certain conferences, etc. but not on the court.

[mbyron]

I'm confused about how any official can get younger. Like Merlin?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I personally think Adams' words of "younger" is taken out of context. Most guys peak in their officiating career in their 40s in my opinion. That is when they have it all going on. They should be absolutely proficient with the rules, should still be in good shape and able to still run the floor well, and have had the amount of experience needed to be at the top of their game. So to me that is not too young. There are too many out there that are in their latter years who can't run, etc. and are on the decline. Although I think these men have contributed greatly to the game, I would still like to see them around the game, therefore I think they should be advisors to the NCAA, certain conferences, etc. but not on the court.

I agree with the peak being in the 40's, but I think the optimum ages are between 30 and 55 years old. At 30, an official should have 5-10 years experience. At 55, he still should have enough mobility...and smarts... to get into and keep himself in position as long as he watches and works on his fitness level. Ideally imo, you try to pair the young 'uns with the older guys to take advantage of their acquired wisdom while getting the young 'uns ready to take over from them. Of course though, you can't make hard and fast rules. Some officials might start early and have the innate ability and drive to move onward and upward in their mid-20's when they get enough experience in. And the wear and tear of those 100-game seasons in both the NCAA and NBA combined with the travel are factors at any age too. Too much and you might not be mentally prepared on a particular night, no matter your age and experience. And some officials are born R's while others might be good, competent officials but they're still career U2's.

JMO.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Can you, with absolute certainty, say that on the women's side when talking about women officials?

If you don't cut it you are out withen 3-4 years.

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Can you, with absolute certainty, say that on the women's side when talking about women officials?

I can't believe you went there.
Not saying you are wrong, but I also love my schedule too much to comment further