Tim Higgins

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CDurham

Maybe DOG. If the OOB violation was called the player reaction probably wouldn't have followed. If he was protesting a call then no doubt, but in this situation I wouldn't penalize him with a tech.

DoG? You mean the warning? Which of the four does this fall under?

[cmathews]

NCAA official head: Finish 'unacceptable' in St. John's win - ESPN

[APG]

That final 20 seconds was horrendous.

1. On the drive, I definitely think there was a foul on the defender. Hands and arms were nowhere near vertical.

2. I think there should have been a whistle on the missed free throw and rebound. I think the reason the rebounder falls out of bounds is due to a push from the defender.

3. I think the initial play on the deep pass was fine. But the missed travel AND the out of bounds was BAD. He (the player) was out of bounds far enough that both the lead and trail could of gotten it. Plus the center has a clear view of the player and can see the steps.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

On the drive, I definitely think there was a foul on the defender. Hands and arms were nowhere near vertical.

Does a defender have to keep their hands vertical when the shooter is jumping forward into them?

Imo the good officials at that level just won't reward any shooter that jumps into a defender and initiates the contact. And that was my impression on seeing the original play as well as the replay.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Does a defender have to keep their hands vertical when the shooter is jumping forward into them?

Imo the good officials at that level just won't reward any shooter that jumps into a defender and initiates the contact. And that was my impression on seeing the original play as well as the replay.

I see that play called all the time at the D1 level and no one bats an eye....by those same guys.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Does a defender have to keep their hands vertical when the shooter is jumping forward into them?

Imo the good officials at that level just won't reward any shooter that jumps into a defender and initiates the contact. And that was my impression on seeing the original play as well as the replay.

That was my impression. And it does not look like the arms made contact, but the contact was all with the chest.

Peace

[APG]

Going back and seeing the final play, I can see why a travel wasn't called by the center. I'd be fine with the no call. Still don't know how the trail and lead miss the out of bounds call.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Still don't know how the trail and lead miss the out of bounds call.

Whose call was it? Burr or Higgins?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Going back and seeing the final play, I can see why a travel wasn't called by the center. I'd be fine with the no call. Still don't know how the trail and lead miss the out of bounds call.

I totally agree with you about the OOB call. That should not have been missed.

Peace

[jbduke]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Going back and seeing the final play, I can see why a travel wasn't called by the center. I'd be fine with the no call. Still don't know how the trail and lead miss the out of bounds call.

Could you elaborate on why you think a travel wasn't called by the C?

If the center saw the whole play (I don't think he did; I think he looked away for a moment after the SJU player gained control), why wouldn't he have a travel there? He has to assume that the player is in bounds, and he hasn't heard a horn or seen an LED light. If you move the sideline over another foot, it's an obvious travel.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

That final 20 seconds was horrendous.

1. On the drive, I definitely think there was a foul on the defender. Hands and arms were nowhere near vertical.

2. I think there should have been a whistle on the missed free throw and rebound. I think the reason the rebounder falls out of bounds is due to a push from the defender.

I see why both of these were not called. The rebounding looked like players were falling over each other and am not sure a foul should have been called there. Not saying it was right, just saying I see why it was not called when bodies are all going for the ball.

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

3. I think the initial play on the deep pass was fine. But the missed travel AND the out of bounds was BAD. He (the player) was out of bounds far enough that both the lead and trail could of gotten it. Plus the center has a clear view of the player and can see the steps.

When they showed the angle from the basket, I do not think that was a travel. He stepped out of bounds for sure, but that would have nullified a travel as the out of bounds took place first.

All I will say is two of these guys on this game have not worked past the first weekend or at all since Mr. Adams has taken over from Mr. Nichols. I will just leave it at that.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by cmathews

NCAA official head: Finish 'unacceptable' in St. John's win - ESPN

How come the talking heads at ESPN or the other clown colleges never pick out the less controversial quote as their headline? As in:
NCAA official head: "One bad call doesn't knock a guy out of the NCAA tournament."

Hell, if everybody who had a badly missed call in D1 this year was eliminated from the tournament, they wouldn't be able to cover the preliminary games, let alone the first round.

Yes, they booted the hell out of the call. But please try to keep it in perspective.

JMO

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

DoG? You mean the warning? Which of the four does this fall under?

I wouldn't call anything in the situation. It shouldn't be a DOG so I don't know why I wasn't thinking. I guess the fact that he threw the ball into the air thus delaying any such action until the ball is retrieved is what I was thinking about

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CDurham

I wouldn't call anything in the situation. It shouldn't be a DOG so I don't know why I wasn't thinking. I guess the fact that he threw the ball into the air thus delaying any such action until the ball is retrieved is what I was thinking about

Makes sense.

Actually, a T would be for delaying the game by preventing the ball from being made live. There's no mechanism for a warning on this one.

That said, I wouldn't call this one either, unless he did it signficantly after I blew my whistle for the violation and it actually delayed the throw-in.

[rulesmaven]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Makes sense.

Actually, a T would be for delaying the game by preventing the ball from being made live. There's no mechanism for a warning on this one.

That said, I wouldn't call this one either, unless he did it signficantly after I blew my whistle for the violation and it actually delayed the throw-in.

Just curious and trying to learn -- what's the rule? I know there's a rule for DoG that requires a warning first. And I know that there are admin techs that can be given to "followers" for preventing the ball from being made live. But what's the rule that would allow a T for a checked in player throwing the ball into the stands during a time out if no warning had been given?

Edit -- sorry, don't know why I said "time out". I meant after the violation.