Another Blarge

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I'm sure that there would be even more in a four person game.

Ha!

Seeing how the NBA hasn't yet implement the 4-man mechanics that I designed for them, and the NBE doesn't have blarges, then the question would be when will the NCAA go to 4-man?

[Terrapins Fan]

I expected to get questioned about it.

I talked to my 3rd partner during a TO and he said he had the same thing I had from his position. I had no doubt I was right, but does a BLARGE make the crew look better or worse? They will forget 1 bad call, they will never forget a BLARGE.

JMO.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I expected to get questioned about it.

I talked to my 3rd partner during a TO and he said he had the same thing I had from his position. I had no doubt I was right, but does a BLARGE make the crew look better or worse? They will forget 1 bad call, they will never forget a BLARGE.

Nope. They'll forget a blarge a heckuva lot quicker than they'll forget a completely wrong call. At least both teams get something out of a blarge, even though one team shouldn't. A wrong call just makes the whole crew look bad. And you deliberately letting a wrong call stand makes it even worse imo.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope. They'll forget a blarge a heckuva lot quicker than they'll forget a completely wrong call. At least both teams get something out of a blarge, even though one team shouldn't. A wrong call just makes the whole crew look bad. And you deliberately letting a wrong call stand makes it even worse imo.

The problem is that both officials in a blarge situation can feel they are completely correct.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The problem is that both officials in a blarge situation can feel they are completely correct.

True, but if I'm sure that I'm completely correct and I'm in the process of making the call, then I'm still going to make that call. I won't say something lame like "I wasn't going to give the PC signal; I was just scratching my head."

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

True, but if I'm sure that I'm completely correct and I'm in the process of making the call, then I'm still going to make that call. I won't say something lame like "I wasn't going to give the PC signal; I was just scratching my head."

I still think proper mechanics dictate that the primary official (as agreed by the crew in the pregame) be given first crack at the call. If a partner who's primary makes a call I feel is completely incorrect, I simply assume he had a different look I did.

Doubtful I'd ever intentionally initiate a blarge.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I still think proper mechanics dictate that the primary official (as agreed by the crew in the pregame) be given first crack at the call. If a partner who's primary makes a call I feel is completely incorrect, I simply assume he had a different look I did.

... but isn't this how it's done for NCAA-W?

[jalons]

I heard a story of a substate game (winner advances to the state tournament) last week where one official blarged himself! From the account I was given (I was not at the game), the defender stepped in front of the ball handler and may or may not have taken contact. The defender fell to the ground and the calling official blew his whistle, signaled a player control foul with one hand and a blocking foul with the other. I guess it took about five minutes for the crew to piece everything together before they reported a blarge.

And this guy was working the game based on recommendations from coaches...

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by jalons

I heard a story of a substate game (winner advances to the state tournament) last week where one official blarged himself! From the account I was given (I was not at the game), the defender stepped in front of the ball handler and may or may not have taken contact. The defender fell to the ground and the calling official blew his whistle, signaled a player control foul with one hand and a blocking foul with the other. I guess it took about five minutes for the crew to piece everything together before they reported a blarge.

And this guy was working the game based on recommendations from coaches...

That is actually too funny.
Sort of like a coach asking for a "45 sec" TO. They held one arm out and touched their shoulder with the other hand!!

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Judtech

That is actually too funny.
Sort of like a coach asking for a "45 sec" TO. They held one arm out and touched their shoulder with the other hand!!

Actually that is pretty sad. A bad signal at the spot is one thing, but taking five minutes and ending up with a blarge by one official is ridiculous.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by jalons

I heard a story of a substate game (winner advances to the state tournament) last week where one official blarged himself! From the account I was given (I was not at the game), the defender stepped in front of the ball handler and may or may not have taken contact. The defender fell to the ground and the calling official blew his whistle, signaled a player control foul with one hand and a blocking foul with the other.

I had a partner who had a one-man blarge in a college game this year. He's Lead on a drive to the basket. Crash right in front of him. His whistle (no one else blew) and he signals charge. Hand behind the head, pointing the other way. Then before he leaves the spot, he bangs his fists on his hips. He reported only the block.

I was Trail, and it was clearly a PC. Oh well.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I had a partner who had a one-man blarge in a college game this year. He's Lead on a drive to the basket. Crash right in front of him. His whistle (no one else blew) and he signals charge. Hand behind the head, pointing the other way. Then before he leaves the spot, he bangs his fists on his hips. He reported only the block.

I was Trail, and it was clearly a PC. Oh well.

This illustrates my position on the issue. This guy apparently anticipated one thing, then apparently saw something else, but his hands were slow to get the message.

According to the logic of the blarge case: "Dammit, I screwed up the signals, I gotta report a double foul."

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Nope. They'll forget a blarge a heckuva lot quicker than they'll forget a completely wrong call. At least both teams get something out of a blarge, even though one team shouldn't. A wrong call just makes the whole crew look bad. And you deliberately letting a wrong call stand makes it even worse imo.

First of all, who do you mean by "They"? Assignors? A "Blarge" call usually makes the rounds around the Ref gossip tree only slightly less quicker then an ejection. People have lost assignments b/c of a blarge. Coaches? I can speak on some authority on that. Most coaches would rather have the call go one way or the other. Sure one might be upset, but isn't that the case with about 90% of all our calls. Players? Well you may be correct there, they have a hard enough time remembering to keep their shirts tucked in!
Also, by having a blarge, you are doing exactly what you say you are trying to avoid in blue. You are deliberately letting a wrong call stand since only one of the offiicals can be correct.
NCAA-W handle the situation differently than NCAA-M and NFHS. IMO, the best way to avoid this situation is:
"Double whistles are good, double signals are bad".

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by judtech

first of all, who do you mean by "they"? Assignors? A "blarge" call usually makes the rounds around the ref gossip tree only slightly less quicker then an ejection. People have lost assignments b/c of a blarge. Coaches? I can speak on some authority on that. Most coaches would rather have the call go one way or the other. Sure one might be upset, but isn't that the case with about 90% of all our calls. Players? Well you may be correct there, they have a hard enough time remembering to keep their shirts tucked in!:d
also, by having a blarge, you are doing exactly what you say you are trying to avoid in blue. You are deliberately letting a wrong call stand since only one of the offiicals can be correct.
Ncaa-w handle the situation differently than ncaa-m and nfhs. Imo, the best way to avoid this situation is:
"double whistles are good, double signals are bad".

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