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[tomegun]

Rocky (or someone else who knows), in the woman's game does the C have the clock in this situation? I'm asking because the L nodding his head caught my attention. Although this isn't the case, what if the C is saying the basket isn't good?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tomegun

Rocky (or someone else who knows), in the woman's game does the C have the clock in this situation? I'm asking because the L nodding his head caught my attention. Although this isn't the case, what if the C is saying the basket isn't good?

The last time I checked, it's always the T, regardless of the tableside, in MCAAW mechanics. If they've changed that, someone will be along to tell me I'm full of it.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BBrules

I'm not familiar with 3-man. Is the trail supposed to be mirroring the lead's chop? The lead is counting with his left hand and his right is at his side. He then moves out of the camera range or is partially blocked from view so I can't see if he does a chop with his left hand, too. I don't see him do one with his right. As you say, the clock started before the trail does his.

These are both women's college mechanics. First, in 3-person the T mirrors the L's chop on all endline throw-ins in the front court (actually, this is the same in NFHS as well). For the L, in NFHS, you hold up one hand to get ready to chop in time, while showing the count with the other hand. In women's college, you count and chop with the same hand. This is definitely only a college mechanic.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The last time I checked, it's always the T, regardless of the tableside, in MCAAW mechanics. If they've changed that, someone will be along to tell me I'm full of it.

I'm pretty sure for NCAA-W the C has primary responsibility for last-second shots. For NCAA-M is T or C opposite table.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The last time I checked, it's always the T, regardless of the tableside, in MCAAW mechanics. If they've changed that, someone will be along to tell me I'm full of it.

You're full of it.

NCAAW has had the C take the last-second shot for quite a while now, regardless of tableside. I believe the theory is since L and T are (usually) on-ball, the C has a (slightly) better opportunity to be able to be aware of both the clock and the shot.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

You're full of it.

NCAAW has had the C take the last-second shot for quite a while now, regardless of tableside. I believe the theory is since L and T are (usually) on-ball, the C has a (slightly) better opportunity to be able to be aware of both the clock and the shot.

I did type MCAA-W mechanics.

Sorry, you're right. I went to my old NCAAW manual and there it was right in front of me. Matter of fact when I worked my one and only NCAAW game this season, we did exactly that.

Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.

[M&M Guy]

rocky - I'm assuming this game was not a media game? If it was, could the officials go to the monitor with a stopwatch to determine first, if there was timing error, then second, if the shot did indeed get released before the .7-second mark?

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Mea maxima culpa.

So, you're a Nissan fan?

And, it just goes to show we all make mistakes - I completely missed your MCAA-W reference, otherwise I would've pointed that out too.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

You're full of it.

NCAAW has had the C take the last-second shot for quite a while now, regardless of tableside. I believe the theory is since L and T are (usually) on-ball, the C has a (slightly) better opportunity to be able to be aware of both the clock and the shot.

Hmmm -- I thought the theory was that if the ball changes direction in the last few seconds, it's still the same person taking the call.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Hmmm -- I thought the theory was that if the ball changes direction in the last few seconds, it's still the same person taking the call.

Of course. That's why I included the (usually) and (slightly) references. If the C has given the "lock-down" signal, and the L has to rotate over because of player and ball action, it's still that old C's call.

I'm talking about your general, garden-variety last-second shot situations.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

rocky - I'm assuming this game was not a media game? If it was, could the officials go to the monitor with a stopwatch to determine first, if there was timing error, then second, if the shot did indeed get released before the .7-second mark?

They did not have a monitor to go to...if there had been one, they could have gone and reviewed it. As for the L and T nodding their heads, according to them the C signalled the basket good immediately and they were simply nodding that they agreed with each other. I think there is another camera angle out there that shows that - it was on ESPN the other night.

[Camron Rust]

On a separate note, anyone notice the shot clock location?

They just moved the clocks in that gym this year from the wall to the top of the backboard as is now required by the NCAA. However, the problem is that the mounting location they chose puts the clock right at the top edge of the backboard and is only offset by the thickness of the board....almost flush with the board.

I had a game there early this year where we had two situations where the ball was in that vicinity and you simply couldn't tell for sure if the ball hit just above the edge on the clock or just below or on the edge on the board. I was the T on one and neither the C or I could tell. On the other situation, I was the L and neither the C or the T could tell. You almost need to be directly beside the basket to tell how high/low the ball hit when in the area of the clock.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The last time I checked, it's always the T, regardless of the tableside, in MCAAW mechanics. If they've changed that, someone will be along to tell me I'm full of it.

Who cares what the mechanics are in Mexico?