Scorekeeping Error in Playoff Game

[TonyT]

How can there be fouls given to players who were not even in the game? Also good communications between the score keepers of both teams should of prevented this. When a foul is reported talk out loud with the number of the player and the number of fouls on that player. if there is a disagreement solve the problem right then. This sounds like flat out cheating.

[26 Year Gap]

I used to do the scoring for my step-son's AAU team just prior to my re-entry into officiating. The most trouble I ever had with another scorer was when they were cheering, complaining about calls, and plain not paying attention. Fanboys or Fanmoms have no business at the table.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

We now can call California the table incompetence Capital of the world

After the issue where we have a scorekeeper accused of potential misconduct in changing the star player's foul count from five to three we have an issue in the D1A section final.

This game according to what was officially recorded on the scoreboard ended on this buzzer beater.But in the blog it notes there was a scoring controversy in the first quarter.
Amazing game-winner leaves both teams in tears (video) - OC Varsity - OC Varsity

The first quarter score should have been 10-9 red as based on this tape posted on YouTube.
YouTube - 3-3-2011 CIF Division 1A Championship Game - Troy vs. Edison - 1st Quarter (1/6)

*The team's scorekeepers each showed a score of 8-7 when the board showed 8-8.However when one of them attempted to protest they were told to be quiet or leave the arena (according to another blog).I imagine after that threat the team scorekeepers corrected their books to the board and play resumed with the period ending in a 10-10 tie.
They also went into the half tied at 22.White led by one after three.Red led by one when the video of the buzzer beater starts.

I was at this game as a fan but was not seated behind the table.I sat in the section next to white's bench so I could not tell what was being said table side.

Our state has attempted to right this wrong by setting the two up for a rematch on Thursday night in White's gym as part of the state tournament.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

We now can call California the table incompetence Capital of the world

After the issue where we have a scorekeeper accused of potential misconduct in changing the star player's foul count from five to three we have an issue in the D1A section final.

This game according to what was officially recorded on the scoreboard ended on this buzzer beater.But in the blog it notes there was a scoring controversy in the first quarter.
Amazing game-winner leaves both teams in tears (video) - OC Varsity - OC Varsity

The first quarter score should have been 10-9 red as based on this tape posted on YouTube.
YouTube - 3-3-2011 CIF Division 1A Championship Game - Troy vs. Edison - 1st Quarter (1/6)

*The team's scorekeepers each showed a score of 8-7 when the board showed 8-8.However when one of them attempted to protest they were told to be quiet or leave the arena (according to another blog).I imagine after that threat the team scorekeepers corrected their books to the board and play resumed with the period ending in a 10-10 tie.
They also went into the half tied at 22.White led by one after three.Red led by one when the video of the buzzer beater starts.

I was at this game as a fan but was not seated behind the table.I sat in the section next to white's bench so I could not tell what was being said table side.

Our state has attempted to right this wrong by setting the two up for a rematch on Thursday night in White's gym as part of the state tournament.

If they do want to set it right, you don't re-play the game. Just play the overtime that should have happened anyways.

But ya, some pretty serious errors down your way. Lesson learned: have a rep at the scorer's table and check after foul, point, and delay of game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Our state has attempted to right this wrong by setting the two up for a rematch on Thursday night in White's gym as part of the state tournament.

Really? Because of 1 point in the first quarter?

"Don't like"

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Really? Because of 1 point in the first quarter?

"Don't like"

I actually don't trust the blogged accounting of the situation. Especially the part about the "threats" towards the scorers.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

Well-how else would you explain the two of them potentially meeting for a second time in five days with what happened the first time?

Here is an account of the situation from a fan sitting behind the table on a So Cal website:


: : The facts: the official book was done by an adult & assigned by CIF. The two unofficial books that are invited to sit at the score table, i thought to help in situations like this were 1 from Edison & 1 from Troy. The Troy unofficial score keeper immediately caught the mistake, player from Edison in middle of first quarter awarded 2 free throws missed first made second= 1pt, but was awarded 2 pts (watch the video on you tube it is very clear what happened, video is under Troy vs Edison). Troy unofficial score keeper went to Edison unofficial score keeper to check and Edison score keeper had same as troy. Troy unofficial score keeper then went to CIF official score keeper to advise on mistake and was treated rudely and told if he he did not go and sit down he would have him removed from arena. Troy unofficial score keeper then advised Troy coach Roger Anderson that him and edison score keeper had diff score than official scorekeeper & why. Coach Anderson immediately went to official score keeper to get fixed, no luck. They had meeting w/ refs but not w/ unofficial score keepers & made no change. Why have the unofficial score keepers there if their useless. I commend the edison unofficial score keeper for his honesty. Not only did both unofficials no the score was wrong they new why & how it happened. CIF was more worried about being wrong then getting it right. Why be rude to Troy unofficial score keeper. Both Troy & Edison score keeper should have been treated w total respect & used as a cross check & as a resource. Troy principle & ath dir also got involved. They wanted to protest or appeal but CIF has no process for this. Game decided by score keeper. Not Edisons fault they did nothing wrong their girls played like Champions also not Troys fault their girls did nothing wrong and also played like Champions. It's CIF's fault they made a mistake and should be "Fair & Honorable" & operate w/ integrity all things they preach and own up. Instead the Troy girls will pay the price, but lets be clear w/ the facts.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Well-how else would you explain the two of them potentially meeting for a second time in five days with what happened the first time?

I have no idea what happened, and tend to not view fans' statements with much authority. That said, even if it's all true, I think the idea of scheduling a 'rematch' because of one erroneous point in the first quarter is ridiculous.

If there had been a correctable error that was never corrected, with the same result (an extra point), would they do the same thing? I would hope not.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper

Well-how else would you explain the two of them potentially meeting for a second time in five days with what happened the first time?

Here is an account of the situation from a fan sitting behind the table on a So Cal website:


: : The facts: ...Troy unofficial score keeper went to Edison unofficial score keeper to check and Edison score keeper had same as troy. Troy unofficial score keeper then went to CIF official score keeper to advise on mistake and was treated rudely and told if he he did not go and sit down he would have him removed from arena...

I don't trust these "facts" until I hear something from the CIF explaining why the game is being replayed.