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Over and back rule
This question stems from two calls I have seen made in the past few weeks: one in a Big Ten game and one in an intramural game. The call in question is the over and back call. I know all the good stuff about the three points and so on, but my question deals more with the actual possession of the ball.
In both cases the ball was tipped back on a rebound attempt by a member of the shooting team. In the Big Ten game it was a free throw attempt and the intramural game was on a field goal attempt. The rebounder slapped the ball backwards and it was recovered by the "shooting" teams only to be called over and back in both situations. The intramural call was against my team and they turned to me to ask if it was the correct call (I'm an IM official as well) I told some of my teammates it was the correct call (based on what I had seen in the Big Ten matchup a few weeks ago). Anyone have a good answer for this? Correct call or not and why? 
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 01:14am
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If the ball was merely tipped or slapped, this was not the correct call because there was no team control in the frontcourt.
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 01:24am
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Are you sure it happened as you said in the Big Ten game? Cause for an official at that level to miss such an easy call is hard to fathom. Perhaps, there was a moment where a player held the ball briefly?
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 01:44am
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I'm fairly certain about the big ten game, It was an IU game I was at and I complained about the call at the time but decided in my head it must have been correct because as you said a Big Ten official wouldn't miss that. I guess he felt that the player had enough control of the ball that he "threw/passed" it back out.
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 02:06am
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 02:12am
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By the way dbm, check your PM inbox, upper right hand corner.
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 01:52pm
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If the call was against IU, then correct call. If for IU, obviously incorrect call.
Great to have the brooms out on Wednesday night..... I will tell you that this is all a matter of HTBT. If the official determines that the tip was a controlled tip in the direction of the player, then it should be a b/c violation. If it is truely just a tap of the ball with zero direction control, then no b/c violation. Assembly Hall has a long history of incidents. Just ask Steve Reid about the chair..... BOILER UP!
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 01:55pm
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 02:14pm
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 02:26pm
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One could question whether a player could "control the direction of a tip/tap"- without holding the ball. Even if momentarily (splitting atoms here), If a player rotates their hand to direct a tap would you consider this holding the ball? If a player does this while dribbling we call it a "carry".
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 02:31pm
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Chaos isn't a pit. Chaos is a ladder. Many who try to climb it fail and never get to try again. The fall breaks them. And some, given a chance to climb, they refuse. They cling to the realm, or the gods, or love. Illusions. Only the ladder is real. The climb is all there is.
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 02:34pm
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In your second example, "rotating the hand" has no basis in the rules. If, however, while dribbling the ball the ball comes to rest in the hand, than you would consider that holding the ball, and thus any additional dribble would be an illegal dribble.
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 02:35pm
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There's a difference between that and "throwing" the ball. Sometimes you just need to officiate.
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 03:25pm
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All that matters is whether the ball came to rest or not.
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Fri Feb 25, 2011, 03:47pm
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