Foul, Whistle, Shot

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I saw it as 2 different actions.

This is what matters. If this is accurate, you made the right call. Based on the description: whistle, B1 noticeably stops, 1 to 1 1/2 second pause, then the shot is released, sounds right to me.

[SAK]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I can because, She was shooting, she was fouled and was stopped, I blew, Began to move toward the table and she then continued to go forward unimpeded by B1, because when I blew, B1 stopped her action. Imagine, as I said, about a 1 and 1/2 second between the time I blew and she finished the shot. I saw it as 2 different actions. 1st shot attempt and a 2nd. It didn't make a difference in the game. But I am looking to learn, if I made a mistake.

You need to determine if it was indeed 2 different shot attempts or if it was one attempt. I am unable to tell if it was was 2 attempts as you said "she finished the shot". That leads me to think that it was the same attempt and the basket should have counted. If the basket does not count and you have the girl in the act of shooting you need to sell the crap out of this call.

[mbyron]

It sounds as if your partner was giving you an either/or: either you had a shooting foul, in which case you must count the basket, or you did not, in which case you wouldn't count the basket. He's ruling out the possibility of a shooting foul that doesn't involve releasing the ball for a try.

He's wrong about that. You might rule that a foul prevents the release of the ball (4-41-2: "It is not essential that the ball leave the player’s hand as a foul could prevent release of the ball.") So it is possible to rule that a foul is a "shooting foul" (not a rulebook term) even though no shot was released.

As to whether you got the call right: that's a judgment call, all the way. HTBT. If she was still moving toward the basket and did not "wind up" a second time, I probably would have counted it. With sufficient delay in time or obvious resetting of the shooting motion, I would have called it as you did.

[Terrapins Fan]

Thanks everyone.

As I was going to say in a previous post to this, it was like 2 actions, you've seen a foul called on a shot then someone else taps the ball into the net. When I moved toward the table I had already given my preliminary signal and said " Foul on 21 blue 2 shots, 15 shooter " I was about 3 steps past the play when the basket was shot and made....2 actions in my opinion.

As for my partner, he is very experienced. He did say, either or and I understood his point. I just saw the play differently.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I was about 3 steps past the play...

You sure move fast in 1.5 seconds.

[APG]

Either you have Usian Bolt speed or the player has the most amazing hang time known to man.