Foul, Whistle, Shot

[Terrapins Fan]

Help me out here.

I had a foul yesterday and my partner says I got it wrong.

Here's what I saw.


A1 is fouled in the act of shooting, B1 comes across her arm and prevents A1 from shooting, I blew the whistle, B1 stops and then A1 continues the act of shooting BUT only because I blew and B1 stopped.

Basket goes and I disallow it.

Partner says, because I called it in the act of shooting, I got to count the basket. I disagree. A1 made the basket AFTER I blew on the shooting foul and AFTER B1 backed off. There was a delay from the shot, foul, whistle and continuation.

Can you see what I am saying?

Thanks,

[JRutledge]

Sounds like your partner was right. If A1 starts their motion to the basket, they are allowed to finish it. The only way you would not count the basket is if A1 stopped his motion on his own. But once he/she starts, they are allowed to finish.

I am also not seeing the significance of B1 backing off either. What does that have to do with the motion of the shooter?

Peace

[Terrapins Fan]

That's what I think happened, she was stopped by B1.

shot attempt, foul, whistle, B1 stops on the whistle, I move toward the table and A1 then finishes the shot.

The was a delay of about a second and a half. I didn't see it as continuation.

I had already signaled 2 shoots before she finished her shot.

It was like when you call a foul on a missed basket and another player shoots the ball and makes the basket, makes you wonder....

[JRutledge]

Maybe I am understanding this a little better. You are saying that the shooter was completely stopped from shooting and started again and shot the basket?

I can then agree with you on some level if that is the case. Then again, you were there at that is your judgment. But I am going to do everything to count the basket in this case. But I have had similar plays in my career if I am understanding your explanation better.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Imho, A's habitual shooting motion continues until they release, violate, or request a TO. Count the basket in your case.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Imho, A's habitual shooting motion continues until they release, violate, or request a TO. Count the basket in your case.

Based on the discription I'm envisioning the play having stopped and then A1 all of a sudden flips the ball in the basket after the play is dead.

[bob jenkins]

Did she "finish her attempt and start another" or "just take a long time to finish her initial attempt?"

You need to decide -- that's why we get the big bucks.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Did she "finish her attempt and start another" or "just take a long time to finish her initial attempt?"

You need to decide -- that's why we get the big bucks.

Agree.

It's a HTBT and so far we've had 2 different explanations of what happened. In the first, it was stated "A1 continues the act of shooting...". In the second, we're told "I didn't see it as continuation." There's nowayinhell any of us can help out with descriptions like that.

[BktBallRef]

After she was fouled:

Did she travel?

Was she airborne?

Did she return to the floor?

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Based on the discription I'm envisioning the play having stopped and then A1 all of a sudden flips the ball in the basket after the play is dead.

That's the way I saw it.

She was on the floor attempting a shot. Did not jump ( 8th grade girls )

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

That's the way I saw it.

She was on the floor attempting a shot. Did not jump ( 8th grade girls )

I hope you did not make a call simply because a player was still on the floor. Nothing you have said makes it clear this shot should not have counted. Actually I am more confused every time you try to justify your position.

Peace

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree.

It's a HTBT and so far we've had 2 different explanations of what happened. In the first, it was stated "A1 continues the act of shooting...". In the second, we're told "I didn't see it as continuation." There's nowayinhell any of us can help out with descriptions like that.

I can because, She was shooting, she was fouled and was stopped, I blew, Began to move toward the table and she then continued to go forward unimpeded by B1, because when I blew, B1 stopped her action. Imagine, as I said, about a 1 and 1/2 second between the time I blew and she finished the shot. I saw it as 2 different actions. 1st shot attempt and a 2nd. It didn't make a difference in the game. But I am looking to learn, if I made a mistake.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Agree.

It's a HTBT and so far we've had 2 different explanations of what happened. In the first, it was stated "A1 continues the act of shooting...". In the second, we're told "I didn't see it as continuation." There's nowayinhell any of us can help out with descriptions like that.

The OP disallowed the basket because of the time factor involved - he incorrectly determined that the large delay after the foul ended the habitual shooting motion, but a shooter is afforded an infinite amount of time in the shooting motion after the foul, so long as s/he doesn't start a new habitual motion, violate or request a timeout. During this infinite time period, another B player could play legal defense again the shooter.

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I can because, She was shooting, she was fouled and was stopped, I blew, Began to move toward the table and she then continued to go forward unimpeded by B1, because when I blew, B1 stopped her action. Imagine, as I said, about a 1 and 1/2 second between the time I blew and she finished the shot. I saw it as 2 different actions. 1st shot attempt and a 2nd. It didn't make a difference in the game. But I am looking to learn, if I made a mistake.

Here's your problem...you need to stay with the play until the playing action stops.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

But I am looking to learn, if I made a mistake.

Then you have to be honest and ask yourself if you can trust your partner or whether you're just trying to justify your call. It looks like your partner was just trying to help out.

There's really nothing that any of us can help you with on this imo because of the conflicting descriptions given.