Would you access a 'T'?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

So, if they have a quick JV game do they wait for the scheduled start or do they start early?

They wait.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

Never heard of that one
Being 1 hour early generally means you're 1.5 hours early in these parts.

Wait, is that Lombardi time?

[tref]

LOL! Not purposely.

I know one thing, it sure sucks to fight through traffic to make it to a site at 6 just to see the 5:40 left in the 1st Q...

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by tref

Never heard of that one
Being 1 hour early generally means you're 1.5 hours early in these parts.

You should be working behind my JV games. I've only had 3 games go to double bonus all year. (I will now be cursed with double overtimes for the rest of the season.)

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

They wait.

Interesting. I wish they did that here. I can't tell you how many times I've walked into a varsity game half-way through the first quarter (to watch of course).

[tref]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

You should be working behind my JV games. I've only had 3 games go to double bonus all year. (I will now be cursed with double overtimes for the rest of the season.)

Sounds like an official who knows how to sort out incidental contact from illegal contact. I hope not, knock on wood!

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by tref

Sounds like an official who knows how to sort out incidental contact from illegal contact. I hope not, knock on wood!

I just pretend it's soccer.

[rockyroad]

Ok, then...Eastshire - you have a JV game assigned to you. The scheduled start time on your assignment is 6:00. You show up at 5:15, and see that there is a freshman game going on. That game goes into double bonus both ways in the third quarter, and does not end until 5:55...you then assess both JV teams with T's because they did not submit rosters at 5:50. Right? That's 10 min. before the scheduled start time...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

So, if they have a quick JV game do they wait for the scheduled start or do they start early?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

They wait.

Same here. The only time the varsity game doesn't start at the scheduled time is when the JV runs long. If it ends early, the V game waits.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Ok, then...Eastshire - you have a JV game assigned to you. The scheduled start time on your assignment is 6:00. You show up at 5:15, and see that there is a freshman game going on. That game goes into double bonus both ways in the third quarter, and does not end until 5:55...you then assess both JV teams with T's because they did not submit rosters at 5:50. Right? That's 10 min. before the scheduled start time...

I don't presume to speak for Eastshire, but here's my take. If the officials were told one starting time, then that time was bumped forward, the assumption is the coach was treated the same way. 8:10 starting time is understood. Everyone is there early, preparing in customary fashion. But, at 7:50 when time is put on the clock, for whatever reason, it is 10 minutes instead of 20.
Coach submits his roster, but now it's too late to correct.

Having said all that, isn't the mistake itself the important part? Book lists 2 players with number 22. Official checks the book at 12 minutes, but overlooks it. When it is discovered later, do you T for that or not?

We try to count the players after a timeout, but if we see 6 ten seconds later, somebody is still accountable.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

...But, at 7:50 when time is put on the clock, for whatever reason, it is 10 minutes instead of 20.
Coach submits his roster, but now it's too late to correct.

I just might correct the timing error on the clock in that case. "Timer, set the clock to 10:30"

Originally Posted by just another ref

Having said all that, isn't the mistake itself the important part? Book lists 2 players with number 22. Official checks the book at 12 minutes, but overlooks it. When it is discovered later, do you T for that or not?

You check the source of the data. If provided correctly but copied in error, fix it with no penalty. If provided in error and copied correctly, fix it an penalize.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You check the source of the data. If provided correctly but copied in error, fix it with no penalty. If provided in error and copied correctly, fix it an penalize.

Right. The same as you would if the official never checked the book at all.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You check the source of the data. If provided correctly but copied in error, fix it with no penalty. If provided in error and copied correctly, fix it an penalize.

I agree. Here we also try to be a little proactive - the R goes to the table around 11:00. It gives us a chance to catch a potential problem and address it before we have to assess a T.

[refiator]

Originally Posted by timeout

Ok, follow me closely.
Regional playoff game.
A.D. says our game, second of the nite, will start at 8:10pm. Ask him again, he replies 8:10pm. Even the announcer says the next game will start at 8:10.
At 7:50 the A.D. come gets us, saying there's 8 minutes left on the clock. No time to argue with A. D., just get out on the floor, take a quick head count and go to the score's table & check the book. (We're used to going to the table at the 12 minute mark, giving us time to make corrections to the book if necessary). Well, visitors have a mistake in book which has to be corrected. Would you access a 'T'?

Any "out" is a good idea when it comes to starting a game with "T". In this case, you have a reason to challenge the time limit.... Use it and move on. No reason to start the game with an asterisk if you can.