Would you access a 'T'?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

+1

It's the second game of regional playoffs played at the same site. The start time of that game usually depends on when the first game gets done.

I had this situation two nights ago. When the teams from game #1 left the court, we put up enough time to allow both teams to complete the book.

Problem solved.

On another note, I've many times suggested that schools (and clubs!) have two books at each site: one for the game in use and one for the game immediately coming up. When tournaments, that work on a tight schedule, are "behind schedule", having the book filled out while the previous game is in their 4th quarter can easily help everyone get back on track.

[Camron Rust]

Unless it can be confirmed that the visiting team agreed to the earlier start with enough time to get the info in the book, I don't see where anyone can argue for the T. if If it is moved later for a delayed started (for whatever reason), they get until the "new" 10 minute mark on the countdown.

[Remington]

Ok, here is where I have always had an issue. Someone please tell me if I am wrong. I read the rule as:

3-2-1 "At least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time, each team shall supply the official scorer with the name and number of each team member and designate the five starting players. Failure to comply results in a technical foul (see 10-1-1 Penalty)."

Many times the official scorer has been supplied with the correct information prior to the 10 minute mark and when I go to check the book it is incomplete or has an error. I will then check the teams own book or other source that was supplied to see if that information is correct. Am I wrong in doing this?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Remington

Ok, here is where I have always had an issue. Someone please tell me if I am wrong. I read the rule as:

3-2-1 "At least 10 minutes before the scheduled starting time, each team shall supply the official scorer with the name and number of each team member and designate the five starting players. Failure to comply results in a technical foul (see 10-1-1 Penalty)."

Many times the official scorer has been supplied with the correct information prior to the 10 minute mark and when I go to check the book it is incomplete or has an error. I will then check the teams own book or other source that was supplied to see if that information is correct. Am I wrong in doing this?

The rule says that the information must be supplied, not put in the book before 10 minutes. So if you know a mistake has been made in the copying of the information, of course you should not penalize the team if the scorekeeper cannot copy correctly.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

So, Eastshire, if I am following your line of thinking correctly here...doubleheader. Game #2 is "scheduled" to start at 8:00. First game goes into triple overtime (Padgett's fault). Teams for second game take the court to being their warmups at 8:20, and both coaches submit their rosters/starters at that time. You are going to assess both of them T's because they should have had their rosters/starters turned in by 7:50 - 10 min. prior to the scheduled start time???

Really?

Seriously??

I've never worked a doubleheader with the second game scheduled to start at specific time. They've all been scheduled to start after the conclusion of the previous game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've never worked a doubleheader with the second game scheduled to start at specific time. They've all been scheduled to start after the conclusion of the previous game.

I cannot think of many games that are apart of a double header that are not scheduled at a specific time. Even JV/Varsity double headers or college games there is a game before or after in most cases and the second game has a start time. Not to say we ever make it to that start time, but it happens. That is why I figured there was a local interpretation that affected your position on this.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I cannot think of many games that are apart of a double header that are not scheduled at a specific time. Even JV/Varsity double headers or college games there is a game before or after in most cases and the second game has a start time. Not to say we ever make it to that start time, but it happens. That is why I figured there was a local interpretation that affected your position on this.

Peace

I've worked in three different states. In all three of them, the varsity game starts 25-30 minutes after the conclusion of the JV game. It doesn't matter if the JV games takes 45 minutes and the varsity tickets say 8:00, they're starting at 7:15. The only way to make sure you see the varsity tip is to show up at JV half-time.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've worked in three different states. In all three of them, the varsity game starts 25-30 minutes after the conclusion of the JV game. It doesn't matter if the JV games takes 45 minutes and the varsity tickets say 8:00, they're starting at 7:15. The only way to make sure you see the varsity tip is to show up at JV half-time.

So when you get your schedule, there isn't a time listed for the start of the varsity game?

You could also check the websites of the high schools, I'll bet they have times noted for the varsity tip off.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've worked in three different states. In all three of them, the varsity game starts 25-30 minutes after the conclusion of the JV game. It doesn't matter if the JV games takes 45 minutes and the varsity tickets say 8:00, they're starting at 7:15. The only way to make sure you see the varsity tip is to show up at JV half-time.

Most games I work have a contract and that is to be followed as close as possible. So if a game ends early, the game time is not supposed to start until game time. Now the schools control this, but they cannot claim someone was late if they start early as what time we get there are based on the scheduled time. Many parents get upset if the game is scheduled for 7:30 and they start 7:15. That is why I would never judge a penalty based on the game time in real time, but based on what the clock says. And it is expected teams be given the right time to warm-up. About the only sport that does not have this expectation I work is baseball. But in basketball we might start earlier, but the clock is what we base that off of, not the actual time. Most JV games are scheduled an hour and a half before the varsity contest. That almost never happens that smoothly to where we would start at the exact time after a previous game, and certainly not if we put time on the clock to warm-up.

Peace

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So when you get your schedule, there isn't a time listed for the start of the varsity game?

You could also check the websites of the high schools, I'll bet they have times noted for the varsity tip off.

I've not had any varsity contract in my new state so I don't know what the varsity officials get. All of the times I've checked a schools web site to double check start times, the list the varsity game with the JV start time. For example, Boy's Varsity Basketball vs. Visitors @ 6:00 PM, with 6:00 being the JV start time.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Most games I work have a contract and that is to be followed as close as possible. So if a game ends early, the game time is not supposed to start until game time. Now the schools control this, but they cannot claim someone was late if they start early as what time we get there are based on the scheduled time. Many parents get upset if the game is scheduled for 7:30 and they start 7:15. That is why I would never judge a penalty based on the game time in real time, but based on what the clock says. And it is expected teams be given the right time to warm-up. About the only sport that does not have this expectation I work is baseball. But in basketball we might start earlier, but the clock is what we base that off of, not the actual time. Most JV games are scheduled an hour and a half before the varsity contest. That almost never happens that smoothly to where we would start at the exact time after a previous game, and certainly not if we put time on the clock to warm-up.

Peace

This is an unusual practice in my experience.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

I've not had any varsity contract in my new state so I don't know what the varsity officials get. All of the times I've checked a schools web site to double check start times, the list the varsity game with the JV start time. For example, Boy's Varsity Basketball vs. Visitors @ 6:00 PM, with 6:00 being the JV start time.

Interesting. I can tell you in the areas I've worked (3 metro areas in 2 states), the varsity games all have start times assigned. Even if they're tentative, they're still scheduled.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Interesting. I can tell you in the areas I've worked (3 metro areas in 2 states), the varsity games all have start times assigned. Even if they're tentative, they're still scheduled.

So, if they have a quick JV game do they wait for the scheduled start or do they start early?

[zm1283]

Here it is the same as what Eastshire is saying. JV games usually start at 6:00, followed by the V game. They always put 15 minutes up after the JV game and we go off of that.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

So, if they have a quick JV game do they wait for the scheduled start or do they start early?

In these parts, if the JV game ends early, they will start the game at the schedule game. If that means a 25 minute wait, then so be it. Something about parents being mad that the game didn't start at the scheduled time and missing game time.

[tref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

In these parts, if the JV game ends early

Never heard of that one
Being 1 hour early generally means you're 1.5 hours early in these parts.