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[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

If, by this, you mean, the reality is this is how most people perceive it, I certainly won't argue that.

Are you seriously trying to say that just because two mistakes cost the same amount of points that they have the same impact even if one is in the first quarter and the other occurs as the 4th quarter expires?

[cmhjordan23]

Another thing to add is some people may say officials tend to call more fouls late in the game. The only reason that may be true is because teams tend to amp up the intensity towards the end which may causes some to play a little out of control.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Are you seriously trying to say that just because two mistakes cost the same amount of points that they have the same impact even if one is in the first quarter and the other occurs as the 4th quarter expires?

Yes, that can happen. There are some things that cannot be "made up" from an official's mistake.

Where I struggle is in understanding how this is even debatable.

Take another look at my kicked block/charge example, and the points lost from it. Just because a team can "overcome" someone else's mistakes doesn't change that a team is paying the price for the mistake in the first place.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Yes, that can happen. There are some things that cannot be "made up" from an official's mistake.

I didn't ask if it "can happen." No one here has denied that a 1st quarter mistake can be big. Although the likelihood that a 1Q mistake could actually cost a team the game is so small as to be safely ignored. You seem to be suggesting that a 1Q mistake is always equal to the equivalent mistake as time expires.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You seem to be suggesting that a 1Q mistake is always equal to the equivalent mistake as time expires.

Didn't say "always." In a close game, though, it can certainly play a role.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Didn't say "always." In a close game, though, it can certainly play a role.

Really? I must have misunderstood this post, then:

Originally Posted by bainsey

Slightly better, but I still think you're missing the point.

A team doesn't "lose on [a] foul." They win or lose on the score, which is always cumulative of the entire game, including the calls you make.

In a close game, something you may or may not have called in the first quarter affects the game's outcome every bit as something you may or may not have called in the last minute. In basketball, we often hear, "THAT decided the game." It's never just THAT. It's always a series of things. To pin an outcome on one play -- no matter how memorable it may be -- is really a lazy-minded outlook. In a close game, you can often find at least a dozen things that could have changed the outcome.

We're obviously talking about close games. For games that aren't close, this entire discussion is moot.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

We're obviously talking about close games. For games that aren't close, this entire discussion is moot.

Right!

The score is always cumulative of the entire game, but the wider the margin, the less likely your calls will affect its outcome (unless your calls are so ridiculously lopsided toward one team that you need to be called on the carpet).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Right!

The score is always cumulative of the entire game, but the wider the margin, the less likely your calls will affect its outcome (unless your calls are so ridiculously lopsided toward one team that you need to be called on the carpet).

Again, obvious. What's your point?