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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:10pm
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What kind of foul is this?
A1 is fouled by B1 in the act of shooting. B1 then tells the official that his call is horse-sh**. B1 is charged with a technical foul. As the official nears the reporting area, he hears a crowd reaction and turns around to see A1 clapping in the face of B1. A technical foul is then charged to A1. These technicals are several seconds apart BTW.

How is the penalties assessed in this situation?

I will give my answer or what I think when I get some feedback.

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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:12pm
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Ah, the dreaded false multiple/double cryptofoul.

I'm going false doubles on the Ts. B gets the final two free throws and the ball.
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:15pm
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Assessed in the order in which they occurred. A1 shoots 2 for the personal. Any A player shoots 2 for the T. Any B player shoots 2 for A1's T. B gets the ball at the division line.
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:18pm
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Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so.

Seems that the majority will agree with us.
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:21pm
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I'm guessing the argument was that the two Ts should be classed as a Double Foul.
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:22pm
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I'm guessing the argument was that the two Ts should be classed as a Double Foul.
Something like that.

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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:24pm
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I'll get the discussion on the right track.

What is the definition of "approximately the same time"?
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:26pm
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Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so.

Seems that the majority will agree with us.
I was surprised he didn't. Then again I have a lot of free time now.

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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:26pm
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Personally, I wouldn't think it included a time period long enough for an official to get close to the reporting area with his back turned to the play.
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Personally, I wouldn't think it included a time period long enough for an official to get close to the reporting area with his back turned to the play.
+1 and reporting at approximately the same time does not equate to occurring at approximately the same time.
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:39pm
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Even if you give up "approximately the same time," which is debatable, the fouls were not committed by the opponents against each other. No way is this a double T.
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:40pm
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I'm going with it being close enough related to same play. Double T. I know this is not part of OP. but do we have any help from a partner(s)? I guarantee you A not waiting a few seconds and then deciding he's gonna go over and clap in B's face.
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Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so.

Seems that the majority will agree with us.
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I was surprised he didn't. Then again I have a lot of free time now.

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Well, I was going to and lost track of time....before I knew what was going on it was 1pm and I hadn't gone to lunch yet.
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Even if you give up "approximately the same time," which is debatable, the fouls were not committed by the opponents against each other. No way is this a double T.
But is does make then simultaneous technicals which are simply technicals on each team at "app. the same time".

Enforcement is the same as a double T.
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Well, I was going to and lost track of time....before I knew what was going on it was 1pm and I hadn't gone to lunch yet.

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