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JRutledge Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:10pm

What kind of foul is this?
 
A1 is fouled by B1 in the act of shooting. B1 then tells the official that his call is horse-sh**. B1 is charged with a technical foul. As the official nears the reporting area, he hears a crowd reaction and turns around to see A1 clapping in the face of B1. A technical foul is then charged to A1. These technicals are several seconds apart BTW.

How is the penalties assessed in this situation?

I will give my answer or what I think when I get some feedback.

Peace

Adam Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:12pm

Ah, the dreaded false multiple/double cryptofoul.

I'm going false doubles on the Ts. B gets the final two free throws and the ball.

just another ref Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:15pm

Assessed in the order in which they occurred. A1 shoots 2 for the personal. Any A player shoots 2 for the T. Any B player shoots 2 for A1's T. B gets the ball at the division line.

Illini_Ref Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:18pm

Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so.

Seems that the majority will agree with us.

Adam Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:21pm

I'm guessing the argument was that the two Ts should be classed as a Double Foul.

JRutledge Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 727791)
I'm guessing the argument was that the two Ts should be classed as a Double Foul.

Something like that. ;)

Peace

Illini_Ref Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:24pm

I'll get the discussion on the right track.

What is the definition of "approximately the same time"?

JRutledge Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref (Post 727788)
Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so.

Seems that the majority will agree with us.

I was surprised he didn't. Then again I have a lot of free time now. :D

Peace

Adam Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:26pm

Personally, I wouldn't think it included a time period long enough for an official to get close to the reporting area with his back turned to the play.

26 Year Gap Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 727795)
Personally, I wouldn't think it included a time period long enough for an official to get close to the reporting area with his back turned to the play.

+1 and reporting at approximately the same time does not equate to occurring at approximately the same time.

just another ref Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:39pm

Even if you give up "approximately the same time," which is debatable, the fouls were not committed by the opponents against each other. No way is this a double T.

letemplay Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:40pm

I'm going with it being close enough related to same play. Double T. I know this is not part of OP. but do we have any help from a partner(s)? I guarantee you A not waiting a few seconds and then deciding he's gonna go over and clap in B's face.

tjones1 Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref (Post 727788)
Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so.

Seems that the majority will agree with us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 727794)
I was surprised he didn't. Then again I have a lot of free time now. :D

Peace

Well, I was going to and lost track of time....before I knew what was going on it was 1pm and I hadn't gone to lunch yet.

Illini_Ref Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 727798)
Even if you give up "approximately the same time," which is debatable, the fouls were not committed by the opponents against each other. No way is this a double T.

But is does make then simultaneous technicals which are simply technicals on each team at "app. the same time".

Enforcement is the same as a double T.

Illini_Ref Tue Feb 08, 2011 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 727802)
Well, I was going to and lost track of time....before I knew what was going on it was 1pm and I hadn't gone to lunch yet.


I never lose track of time to the point of forgetting lunch. I have to keep fuel in this well oiled machine!


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