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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:10pm
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What kind of foul is this?
A1 is fouled by B1 in the act of shooting. B1 then tells the official that his call is horse-sh**. B1 is charged with a technical foul. As the official nears the reporting area, he hears a crowd reaction and turns around to see A1 clapping in the face of B1. A technical foul is then charged to A1. These technicals are several seconds apart BTW.

How is the penalties assessed in this situation?

I will give my answer or what I think when I get some feedback.

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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:12pm
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Ah, the dreaded false multiple/double cryptofoul.

I'm going false doubles on the Ts. B gets the final two free throws and the ball.
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:15pm
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Assessed in the order in which they occurred. A1 shoots 2 for the personal. Any A player shoots 2 for the T. Any B player shoots 2 for A1's T. B gets the ball at the division line.
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Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so.

Seems that the majority will agree with us.
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:21pm
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I'm guessing the argument was that the two Ts should be classed as a Double Foul.
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I'm guessing the argument was that the two Ts should be classed as a Double Foul.
Something like that.

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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 03:24pm
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I'll get the discussion on the right track.

What is the definition of "approximately the same time"?
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Personally, I wouldn't think it included a time period long enough for an official to get close to the reporting area with his back turned to the play.
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Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so.

Seems that the majority will agree with us.
I was surprised he didn't. Then again I have a lot of free time now.

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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 04:01pm
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A1 is fouled by B1 in the act of shooting. B1 then tells the official that his call is horse-sh**. B1 is charged with a technical foul. As the official nears the reporting area, he hears a crowd reaction and turns around to see A1 clapping in the face of B1. A technical foul is then charged to A1. These technicals are several seconds apart BTW.

How is the penalties assessed in this situation?

I will give my answer or what I think when I get some feedback.

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  1. A1 shoots 2 free throws for personal foul.
  2. Any Team A player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical
  3. Any Team B player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical
  4. Team B gets throw-in from divsion line

I didn't look at anybody else's responses yet so I'm sure this has already been said.

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I'll get the discussion on the right track.

What is the definition of "approximately the same time"?
Not this scenario.
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  1. A1 shoots 2 free throws for personal foul.
  2. Any Team A player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical
  3. 3. Any Team B player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical
  4. Team B gets throw-in from divsion line

I didn't look at anybody else's responses yet so I'm sure this has already been said.



Not this scenario.
If NFHS this is correct
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Old Tue Feb 08, 2011, 04:16pm
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  1. A1 shoots 2 free throws for personal foul.
  2. Any Team A player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical
  3. 3. Any Team B player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical
  4. Team B gets throw-in from divsion line
This was my original answer to the letter.

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  1. A1 shoots 2 free throws for personal foul.
  2. Any Team A player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical
  3. 3. Any Team B player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical
  4. Team B gets throw-in from divsion line
That's how I would have handled it. False double situation so you penalize in order they occurred. I guess is depends on how you interpret "at approximately the same time".
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