Adam Ah, the dreaded false multiple/double cryptofoul. I'm going false doubles on the Ts. B gets the final two free throws and the ball.
just another ref Assessed in the order in which they occurred. A1 shoots 2 for the personal. Any A player shoots 2 for the T. Any B player shoots 2 for A1's T. B gets the ball at the division line.
Illini_Ref Glad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so. Seems that the majority will agree with us.
JRutledge Snaqwells wroteI'm guessing the argument was that the two Ts should be classed as a Double Foul. Something like that. 😉 Peace
Illini_Ref I'll get the discussion on the right track. What is the definition of "approximately the same time"?
JRutledge Illini_Ref wroteGlad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so. Seems that the majority will agree with us. I was surprised he didn't. Then again I have a lot of free time now. 😀 Peace
Adam Personally, I wouldn't think it included a time period long enough for an official to get close to the reporting area with his back turned to the play.
26 Year Gap Snaqwells wrotePersonally, I wouldn't think it included a time period long enough for an official to get close to the reporting area with his back turned to the play. +1 and reporting at approximately the same time does not equate to occurring at approximately the same time.
just another ref Even if you give up "approximately the same time," which is debatable, the fouls were not committed by the opponents against each other. No way is this a double T.
letemplay I'm going with it being close enough related to same play. Double T. I know this is not part of OP. but do we have any help from a partner(s)? I guarantee you A not waiting a few seconds and then deciding he's gonna go over and clap in B's face.
tjones1 Illini_Ref wroteGlad you posted this here. I was waiting for Tanner to do so. Seems that the majority will agree with us. JRutledge wroteI was surprised he didn't. Then again I have a lot of free time now. 😀 Peace Well, I was going to and lost track of time....before I knew what was going on it was 1pm and I hadn't gone to lunch yet.
Illini_Ref just another ref wroteEven if you give up "approximately the same time," which is debatable, the fouls were not committed by the opponents against each other. No way is this a double T. But is does make then simultaneous technicals which are simply technicals on each team at "app. the same time". Enforcement is the same as a double T.
Illini_Ref tjones1 wroteWell, I was going to and lost track of time....before I knew what was going on it was 1pm and I hadn't gone to lunch yet. I never lose track of time to the point of forgetting lunch. I have to keep fuel in this well oiled machine!
JRutledge Illini_Ref wroteI never lose track of time to the point of forgetting lunch. I have to keep fuel in this well oiled machine! LOL!!! That is what we call it now. 😀 Peace
Raymond JRutledge wroteA1 is fouled by B1 in the act of shooting. B1 then tells the official that his call is horse-sh**. B1 is charged with a technical foul. As the official nears the reporting area, he hears a crowd reaction and turns around to see A1 clapping in the face of B1. A technical foul is then charged to A1. These technicals are several seconds apart BTW. How is the penalties assessed in this situation? I will give my answer or what I think when I get some feedback. Peace A1 shoots 2 free throws for personal foul. Any Team A player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical Any Team B player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical Team B gets throw-in from divsion line I didn't look at anybody else's responses yet so I'm sure this has already been said. Illini_Ref wroteI'll get the discussion on the right track. What is the definition of "approximately the same time"? Not this scenario.
bainsey I have a shooting foul, followed by a false double. The technicals are two separate incidents.
eyezen BadNewsRef wrote A1 shoots 2 free throws for personal foul. Any Team A player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical 3. Any Team B player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical Team B gets throw-in from divsion line I didn't look at anybody else's responses yet so I'm sure this has already been said. Not this scenario. If NFHS this is correct
Smitty Illini_Ref wroteBut is does make then simultaneous technicals which are simply technicals on each team at "app. the same time". Enforcement is the same as a double T. Don't have my books with me, but is what you just said in the book? Because simultaneously does not mean "approximately the same time" - it means "the same time".
JRutledge BadNewsRef wrote A1 shoots 2 free throws for personal foul. Any Team A player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical 3. Any Team B player(s) shoots 2 free throws for unsporting technical Team B gets throw-in from divsion line This was my original answer to the letter. Peace