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If your partner doesn't need help and doesn't come to you then it is a different story. Then you want to come to him only if you are 100% that he had it wrong and you feel like it will help the game. Then you might come to him and say "Jim, I am 100% that he was in the act of shooting". I might not be the brightest guy here but the way I read this is eroe is advocating helping his partner on a *shooting foul unasked*. In other words he's going to come in to offer new information (that's PC-speak for over rule) on a foul call. BTW, if asked I agree that you should offer something more than "I'm not gonna change your call".
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You never over rule. I would walk up to him and whisper in his ear, "I thought he was in the act." Then let him make up his mind. The only place I would definitely step in is on an OOB when I knew my partner did not have a good look at who last touched the ball.
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Tim, When we don't know, we raise our "Stop Clock" and look for help. Then our partner will give a direction. Rarely, unless the the crowd goes, "Oooooooooooh!", do we go down to change a call without being asked/eye-balled by our partners. mick |
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Besides, if you did it to me we would discuss it, thoroughly, at the next opportunity and it wouldn't happen, with me as your partner, again.
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I like your wording "No Shot"... But to me! "Before the shot" gives the coach more leeway to howl because if you are saying before the shot......He/She has fuel to say the player was in the act of shooting. Just my perception! AK ref SE |
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Good point on the "on the floor" comment. I have heard some high school and college supervisors say they don't like that terminology. I agree with everybody about not overuling your partner. You always want to come to your partner and give he or she the info you have and then let them make up their mind what they want to do. I heard someone mention "I thought", avoid think and thought, say I know or I am 100% if you are coming to your partner. The only time you want to say "I thought" is maybe if they come to you for help and you all want to get in a discussion about the play. My supervisors will take names and kick a** if someone comes in and tells you something 100% and you don't take take that info to change your own call. A lot of people seem to disagree about coming to your partner on whether a player is in the act. I am not saying this is something that should be done a lot. I have been in games where it has been done about 5 times in my entire officiating career which consists of at least 2000 games. But each time it has been done it has been obvious and the coaches have accepted it and if it had not been done we would of lost credibility as a crew. Obviously, out of bounds calls are where this is done the most.
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Sounds good on the overruling consensus, but what about a block/charge? If I'm trail and see a player shove with his forearm while lead is blocked from that and only sees the block, how do I let him know there?
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It may be just you. This game slows down as your experience grows. Eventually, you will be confident the other eight players were just fine, while you glance at the play in your partners primary and you'll know: mick |
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Peterson...to address your question...
If you have a whistle on that B/C, then you and your partner can "discuss" what you have, although the primary generally dictates the calling official (pregame). If you don't have a whistle, I wouldn't come within 100 ft of the call. Your partner needs to live and die with his/her call. His whistle, hopefully his primary, his call. RD...good comment. If the shot is opposite of you, I would agree that you shouldn't have a real good look at the play. If it's in a "grey area", then you might have an opinion...but opinions are like...everyone has one. |
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It may be just you. This game slows down as your experience grows. Eventually, you will be confident the other eight players were just fine, while you glance at the play in your partners primary and you'll know: Heck...when I really get good maybe I'll know: but, I still don't want to be a "ball watcher" that would actually consider changing a foul call in another official's primary. JMHO RD Edit: maybe I'll even get good enough to use these quote icons without messing it up.... [Edited by RookieDude on Nov 8th, 2002 at 07:04 AM] |
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