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A1 rebounds the ball, swings elbows and there is CONTACT w/ defender = player control foul (ball to be awarded to Team B at spot nearest to where foul occurred; no FT's shot as it is a team control foul). A1 rebounds the ball, swings elbows and makes EXCESSIVE CONTACT w/ defender = intentional personal foul (B2 shoots 2 FT's and ball is awarded to Team B at spot nearest where foul occurred). Keep in mind that an intentional foul can be called either based on intent to foul (no attempt to play the ball) OR excessive contact. A1 rebounds the ball, swings elbows in a COMBATIVE manner with SEVERE CONTACT of defender = flagrant personal foul (B2 shoots 2 FT's, A1 is ejected, and ball awarded to Team B at spot nearest to where foul occurred). Remember that you shoot 2 FT's on EVERY intentional foul called...EXCEPT when a player is fould in the act of shooting a 3pt shot - then he/she gets 3 shots... |
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The penalty for a single flagrant personal or flagrant technical foul charged to a player is two free throws and disqualification plus awarding the ball to the opponents for a throw-in. A single flagrant foul, the second direct technical foul or the third technical (any combination of direct or indirect) charged to the head coach results in disqualification and ejection. Ejected adult bench personnel shall leave the vicinity (out of sight and sound) of the playing area immediately and are prohibited from any further contact (direct or indirect) with the team during the remainder of the game. Failure to comply with the rules of ejection may result in the game being forfeited. We disqualify players. We eject coaches. Not like in the olden days. Too many torn up locker rooms.
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Situation from last night.
A1 receives ball just over half-court. Keeps ball high over head and turns for face toward basket. As he turns, B1 closes to defend and get hit with an incidental elbow in the face. B1 goes down and stays down. No malicious intent, C rules incidental contact and no foul called. Play stopped to attend to injury. Right call? |
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Incidental contact can indeed sometimes be severe. But the key to whether the contact in this particular play is incidental is whether or not the player with ball remained within his vertical plane. If those elbows are extended outside the width of his torso, then I would say that he is responsible for the contact.
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This is the key for the violation to be called. "Normal" movement of the elbows, as while legally pivoting, is not a violation. In order to call the violation, you need "excessive" swinging with NO contact on an opponent. Excessive is defined as moving faster than the torso of the player.
Non-excessive motion, with no contact -- no violation, play on. Non-excessive motion, with contact -- not a violation, but likely a player control foul. Excessive motion, with no contact -- violation. Excessive motion, with contact -- not a violation, but likely an intentional foul or flagrant foul. |
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