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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 03:38pm
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My understanding is that it's the proper mechanic to tell them, regardless of location.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 03:53pm
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Didn't you say earlier that it's fine if we want to remind players? I agree that it's not our fault if they violate, but it gives us an out if a player did tell his coach that we didn't tell them they couldn't move.

"Well, coach, I certainly did tell your player that he couldn't run the endline". End of conversation, leave it between player and coach now.

I've certainly gotten myself into the habit of saying "Hold your spot" when applicable. It takes not even a second, and may be unnecessary, but I personally think it's a good idea.
If it works for you, hey, fine with me. I've already said that. But thinking that's it also an "out" is a non-starter imo. We don't need to have an out. Our "out" is that it's the coach's job to teach their player how to throw the ball in legally. It's not our job to coach players and it never has been. I don't have a problem with any official reminding players so they don't have to call a violation. But if we do have to call the violation without reminding the player, then there is nowayinhell any coach can blame us for his failure to properly coach his kids. Well, maybe he can try.

"Well, coach, it's your job to coach your players, not mine. I certainly don't want to interfere with your coaching." End of conversation, leave it between player and coach now.

That was my point.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 01:35pm
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I wouldn't assume the player knows he/she can't run the endline on a frontcourt throw-in.
I wouldn't make any assumption about whether they know it. But, I dont' tell them anything on this type of throw in.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 01:52pm
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Me neither, but it's the coach's responsibility to teach their players that, not ours. If you want to remind a player, fine. If you don't though, it is never the official's fault if he/she has to call a violation.
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I wouldn't make any assumption about whether they know it. But, I dont' tell them anything on this type of throw in.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 02:30pm
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I say hold your spot when the thrower arrives.

I think just saying spot isn't as clear as we think it is. I could see a player interpreting "spot" as the spot where s/he should grab the ball from the official.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 12:54pm
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"Spot"

I tell the thrower each and every time. Gets me in the habit of doing so, so I don't forget to tell the thrower "he can run" when he's allowed to.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 12:58pm
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"Spot"

I tell the thrower each and every time. Gets me in the habit of doing so, so I don't forget to tell the thrower "he can run" when he's allowed to.
That's what I do too. Also, if we're coming out of a timeout I wait until the second horn, and I visibly point to the floor in front them while saying "spot". This helps you if someone watches the tape, I've been told.

It's almost like we were taught the same way APG...
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 12:55pm
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I assume you mean to the thrower? If so, 99% of the time I point and say "right here". A few times I just point.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 03:48pm
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I assume you mean to the thrower? If so, 99% of the time I point and say "right here". A few times I just point.
I was told not to say "right here" or "right there" by a camp clinician years ago. He said to say "spot" instead.

I still find myself occasionally saying "right there" for some reason...
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 03:52pm
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I was told not to say "right here" or "right there" by a camp clinician years ago. He said to say "spot" instead.

I still find myself occasionally saying "right there" for some reason...
No one has ever told me not to say it but that doesn't mean I shouldn't

My theory is - say what best relays what you mean. "Spot" in a varsity game may be fine but a MS player may think you are calling your dog IMHO, what you say is not near as important as ensuring you put it in at the correct spot. I really have no problem with anything folks here say they use if they do the job.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 01:36pm
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When you have a designated spot throw-in, what do you say to verbally communicate it? ... "spot", "throw-in", "spot throw-in". Or do you verbally communicate it at all. Just curious what the consensus might be.
"Spot throw-in" is what I say when I decide to say anything, which is usually after a TO or other prolonged delay, and only on A's BC endline.
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 02:52pm
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When you have a designated spot throw-in, what do you say to verbally communicate it? ... "spot", "throw-in", "spot throw-in". Or do you verbally communicate it at all. Just curious what the consensus might be.

What need is there to tell them anything? "You can't run the sideline".
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 02:57pm
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What need is there to tell them anything? "You can't run the sideline".
So they can't tell their coach, "Well the ref didn't tell me I couldn't move!"
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Old Thu Feb 03, 2011, 03:06pm
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So they can't tell their coach, "Well the ref didn't tell me I couldn't move!"
Who cares if a player tells their coach that? It ain't our job to teach rules like this, just call 'em. We don't like coaches trying to do our jobs for us; it works both ways.
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