Partners Area

[Rich]

If you've turned the dribbler over to the C and refocused on people in your primary, you probably didn't get a great look at the bump. If you did, you really didn't turn the dribbler over to the C.

Tough one. If the dribbler is clearly on the other side of the floor in the frontcourt, I'm probably passing on this as I'm not looking through to the ball anyway.

[NoFussRef]

oops, could not have been a charge, the defender was "over-his-back!"

Sorry, coffee kicking in, Im done being a smart-asst.)))

[GoodwillRef]

If you partner never accepted the play you should have never given the ball handler up to him...if there was a travel and you know why your parnter didn't get it...you need to go get that travel "if you saw it."

[Adam]

If I know my partner is otherwise "engaged" at the moment, I might expand a bit to cover the dribbler here.

[tref]

Call the obvious.

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

If you partner never accepted the play you should have never given the ball handler up to him...if there was a travel and you know why your parnter didn't get it...you need to go get that travel "if you saw it."

Well I see that as an area which could go either way. When the ball moved into his area he should have stopped conversating with the coach and picked up the play. I cannot babysit his area for him, he has to be responsible.

BUT I also see the side of if your partner is "busy" then help him out. If it had been a big contact situation then no doubt I would have been there.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

If you partner never accepted the play you should have never given the ball handler up to him...if there was a travel and you know why your parnter didn't get it...you need to go get that travel "if you saw it."

Well, that's the key thing, isn't it -- if he really saw it.

It's hard for a center to "accept the play" with body language, isn't it? In a perfect world, the L would rotate over and the C would start backing out when convenient -- both acknowledging that the ball had changed sides and a rotation was taking place which, without a closely-guarded count means the new T is going to pick up the ball.

In the end, if I saw a bump from behind, I'd come in and get it -- I'm not going to leave my partner hanging. I'm just wondering if I'd get a good look at this. If I was the C, I think I'd probably stretch a bit on contact from behind because I'd have the better look through to get that, but again -- it's a hard thing to picture just from an IBB.

Moral of the story - don't turn your head to talk to a coach when the ball is in the front court.

[wfd21]

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moral of the story - don't turn your head to talk to a coach when the ball is in the front court.[/quote]

+1

[tref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Moral of the story - don't turn your head to talk to a coach when the ball is in the front court.

One might take it a step further & say - don't turn your head to talk to a coach during a live ball.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tref

One might take it a step further & say - don't turn your head to talk to a coach during a live ball.

Eh, I've been known to do it during a free throw where's there no rebounding action (first of 2, for example).

[bainsey]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this come down to -- at least in part -- helping vs. poaching?

There are some officials who hate it when you make a call in your PCA ("you need to trust me!"), while others aren't bothered by it, so long as it's the right call. I fall in the latter group.

It sounds to me like, if you're too concerned about poaching, you'll be far more hesistant to make the right call, should your partner's brain be tied up with something else (whether it's justifiable or not).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this come down to -- at least in part -- helping vs. poaching?

There are some officials who hate it when you make a call in your PCA ("you need to trust me!"), while others aren't bothered by it, so long as it's the right call. I fall in the latter group.

It sounds to me like, if you're too concerned about poaching, you'll be far more hesistant to make the right call, should your partner's brain be tied up with something else (whether it's justifiable or not).

And some officials like to use the "get it right" mantra to justify ball watching. Obviously, this situation is a bit different, and if I recognized my partner was tied up, I'd stretch my area a bit.

The reason officials don't like poaching is because you're more likely to be wrong than right when you make a call outside your area.

[tref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

There are some officials who hate it when you make a call in your PCA ("you need to trust me!")

Generally, officials who have the HS mentality

Originally Posted by bainsey

while others aren't bothered by it, so long as it's the right call.

Generally, officials who have a higher level mentality

Officiating engaged matchups in your PCA while seeing as many of the other players, partners & the ball is the goal.

How else can we call similar plays in a similar manner if we're locked in our 3rd?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Moral of the story, don't turn your head to talk to a coach when the ball is in the front court.

Agree. But occassionally we have to recognize a request for a timeout. I hate it when that happens.

[CDurham]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

If you've turned the dribbler over to the C and refocused on people in your primary, you probably didn't get a great look at the bump. If you did, you really didn't turn the dribbler over to the C.

Tough one. If the dribbler is clearly on the other side of the floor in the frontcourt, I'm probably passing on this as I'm not looking through to the ball anyway.

If I didn't have a matchup up top on the key I would have not been looking in that direction. As this matchup went down towards the free throw line that is when this situation happened. That matchup was between me and the dribbler who was now in my partners area. When that matchup moved down it cleared the sight into the situation being discussed before I could realign with my matchup again. If that makes sense.