Louisiana Officials Possible Strike?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I wonder how many raises the teachers, administrators, and coaches have received in the last 21 years. I'll bet it's more than zero.

We actually last had a raise in 07. Apparently the last one before that must have been 21 years ago.

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

We actually last had a raise in 07. Apparently the last one before that must have been 21 years ago.

Y'all were getting paid even less than you are now?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Y'all were getting paid even less than you are now?

yep

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

yep

Let me ask you this, how do you propose your brethren in Louisiana go about getting higher wages? It's obvious you don't agree with how those in the four chapters went about it. What makes you think that your state association will give you a raise given their history? I could understand not giving a raise with how the economy currently is, but your state association has shown to be content even during times of good economic health.

There's no way I should be able to make more for one JV game than a three man varsity game. Someone there has dropped the ball big time.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

There's no way I should be able to make more for one JV game than a three man varsity game. Someone there has dropped the ball big time.

No way? Well that is pretty much the case here. The varsity games which are much more likely to be revenue generators make more money than a single lower level game in most cases. Of course many lower level games are not stand alone games and you can work 2 games and make more in a night, but there should be an incentive to work the higher level ball and for guys to get better. One way to do that is in pay.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No way? Well that is pretty much the case here. The varsity games which are much more likely to be revenue generators make more money than a single lower level game in most cases. Of course many lower level games are not stand alone games and you can work 2 games and make more in a night, but there should be an incentive to work the higher level ball and for guys to get better. One way to do that is in pay.

Peace

Before the changes in VT, the $100 varsity fee was split 3 ways. [I think most schools went with $34 apiece]. As a JV/Frosh official, I received $30. There were grumblings, but the VT Principals Assn went to bat for the officials and the 3 for the price of 2 went away. Sounds like the bat is being used differently down there.

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

No way? Well that is pretty much the case here. The varsity games which are much more likely to be revenue generators make more money than a single lower level game in most cases. Of course many lower level games are not stand alone games and you can work 2 games and make more in a night, but there should be an incentive to work the higher level ball and for guys to get better. One way to do that is in pay.

Peace

I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying one should be able to earn more working one JV game than working one varsity game? In case there was confusion, I'm saying that one should earn more working a varsity game than a JV game. In the case of Louisiana, I could earn more working one JV game locally than a varsity game in Louisiana.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I don't get what you're saying. Are you saying one should be able to earn more working one JV game than working one varsity game? In case there was confusion, I'm saying that one should earn more working a varsity game than a JV game. In the case of Louisiana, I could earn more working one JV game locally than a varsity game in Louisiana.

I am sorry, I misread what you said orginally and I did not pay attention to the pay scale.

So we agree. Read too fast.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Let me ask you this, how do you propose your brethren in Louisiana go about getting higher wages? It's obvious you don't agree with how those in the four chapters went about it.

I don't have the answer. I have no part in the negotiation process. I play the hand I am dealt. If it reaches the point where it is costing me money to call games, and I no longer enjoy doing it, I will check out the private school association or give it up altogether.

As far as how the four chapters handled it, no I certainly don't agree with it. In the first place it was doomed to fail, if they thought they would get a pay raise signed now, because of the limited support given the walkout, even among the officials. Mainly, this is unacceptable because it fails to live up to an agreement which was signed by both sides. A local principal told me there is actually a signed contract between school and association. He couldn't tell me exactly what it says, because he never actually reads it, just signs it. The piece of paper is not the important part to me. I am a part of a group which has promised to do a job, so I intend to do my part. Expanding our normal area to cover games deserted by others is not quite as easy to justify, but I see the principle as the same, mainly because the schools affected by the limited area have no power to make changes on their own, even if they are inclined to do so.

No one commented on my truck driving analogy.

I own a Mack truck. I haul mainly for myself, but occasionally for others. If I have been hauling for you for a hundred bucks a trip and decide I need more, I should call you to discuss terms, right in the middle of a load.
"Hey, boss. I'd like to keep hauling for you, but the next load is gonna cost a hundred and fifty. What? Too pricey? Fine, that's up to you, but in that case I'm just gonna dump this load on the side of the road."

I don't see the difference in this and our situation. If there is one, perhaps someone could explain. If a trucker dumps a load for one of you, let me know, I'll come get it if necessary, even if that would be considered stabbing the trucker in the back who dumped it there.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't see the difference in this and our situation. If there is one, perhaps someone could explain. If a trucker dumps a load for one of you, let me know, I'll come get it if necessary, even if that would be considered stabbing the trucker in the back who dumped it there.

I'm sure that you'll never, ever see the difference either, JAR. 100% sure.

And the back stabbing analogy is right on too imo.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'm sure that you'll never, ever see the difference either, JAR. 100% sure.

And the back stabbing analogy is right on too imo.

So you'd kiss up to the trucker who dumped your stuff and allow only him to go back and pick it up? Seriously?

[Judtech]

Originally Posted by just another ref

yep

Are your officials/associations already contracted for the Play Offs? Because, sitting those out would DEF. be a big bargaining chip!

[Adam]

The thing is, if the schools had given raises to the officials when times weren't so lean, it may have bought them some good will for these lean times.

I'm with Rich, "for the kids" is typically just a canard meant to shut down the debate through guilt.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The thing is, if the schools had given raises to the officials when times weren't so lean, it may have bought them some good will for these lean times.

I'm with Rich, "for the kids" is typically just a canard meant to shut down the debate through guilt.

Public schoolteacher salaries are typically public record. If I were the officials, I would've had these numbers at hand whenever anyone suggested officials should work for the same amount of money or get one raise in 21 years.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Public schoolteacher salaries are typically public record. If I were the officials, I would've had these numbers at hand whenever anyone suggested officials should work for the same amount of money or get one raise in 21 years.

I've suggested that officials pay raises in Oregon (statewide payscale) should be tied to teacher pay raises....same percent for both. The question arises about what the teacher pay is since each district has a different scale but it shouldn't be hard to come up with an average percentage raise for all teachers in the state. It will probably never happen as they want to be able to cut/freeze our pay at will even when they get a raise just so they can save a few bucks....as long as they get theirs.