Rule 6-4

[iaref]

A question came up in our crew last night in regards to whether or not to switch the alternating possesion arrow. The situation is below:

Jump ball is called
Team A is inbounding the ball and the ball is kicked by Team B on the throw-in

Question was whether or not Team A should retain the possession arrow after the throw-in by Team A or if the possession arrow still switches to Team B after the throw-in by Team A??

Any thoughts/clairifcation on this would be appreciated.

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by iaref

A question came up in our crew last night in regards to whether or not to switch the alternating possesion arrow. The situation is below:

Jump ball is called
Team A is inbounding the ball and the ball is kicked by Team B on the throw-in

Question was whether or not Team A should retain the possession arrow after the throw-in by Team A or if the possession arrow still switches to Team B after the throw-in by Team A??

Any thoughts/clairifcation on this would be appreciated.

Team A keeps the arrow. The very next throwin after the "kick" whistle is for the violation of kicking the ball. I keep this straight by thinking, Team B needs to be "punished" for kicking the ball. Team B's punishment in this case is A gets a non AP throwin. 6-4-4

[ranjo]

See casebook play 4.42.5

[iaref]

Originally Posted by Loudwhistle

Team A keeps the arrow. The very next throwin after the "kick" whistle is for the violation of kicking the ball. I keep this straight by thinking, Team B needs to be "punished" for kicking the ball. Team B's punishment in this case is A gets a non AP throwin. 6-4-4

Thanks Loudwhistle. That is what we ended up doing, much to the chagrine of Team B's Head Coach.

Another situation related to this topic:

Jump ball is called and it is Team A's possession
Team A is inbounding the ball and throws it off of the backside of the backboard.
Team B is awarded the ball due to Team A throwing the ball off the backside of the backboard.

Does Team A retain the possession arrow in this situation or is it switched to Team B after Team B's throw-in??

[Scrapper1]

A really easy way to keep this straight is simply to remember the rule for when the arrow changes. The arrow only changes if one of two things happens:

1) The alternating possession throw-in is completed; or
2) The throw-in team commits a throw-in violation.

That's it. That's the list.

So now the question in your original post becomes a very easy one. Was the AP throw-in completed? No, because it was not touched LEGALLY inbounds. So the arrow doesn't change. And since the ensuing throw-in is the result of a violation and not a held ball, the arrow won't change after that throw-in either.

Keep that very simple list in mind, and you'll never have to wonder about whether to switch the arrow.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by iaref

Jump ball is called and it is Team A's possession
Team A is inbounding the ball and throws it off of the backside of the backboard.
Team B is awarded the ball due to Team A throwing the ball off the backside of the backboard.

Does Team A retain the possession arrow in this situation or is it switched to Team B after Team B's throw-in??

With reference to the very easy list I mentioned above, what would your answer be?

[iaref]

Originally Posted by ranjo

See casebook play 4.42.5

We did look at the rule book after our game and were a bit confused by the rule, in that it states, "The throw-in ends when the ball TOUCHES or is legally touched by another player inbounds." In theory it TOUCHED a player inbounds. That is where the confusion came from. Thanks again for the replies!!

[Loudwhistle]

Originally Posted by iaref

Another situation related to this topic:

Jump ball is called and it is Team A's possession
Team A is inbounding the ball and throws it off of the backside of the backboard.
Team B is awarded the ball due to Team A throwing the ball off the backside of the backboard.

Does Team A retain the possession arrow in this situation or is it switched to Team B after Team B's throw-in??

6-4-5 basically says if the throwin team violates on an ap throwin they lose the arrow. In your case above, its a violation to hit the back of the backboard.

[iaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

With reference to the very easy list I mentioned above, what would your answer be?

Thanks Scrapper!! I didn't see your post before I posted the 2nd situation. Very helpful!!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by iaref

We did look at the rule book after our game and were a bit confused by the rule, in that it states, "The throw-in ends when the ball TOUCHES or is legally touched by another player inbounds." In theory it TOUCHED a player inbounds. That is where the confusion came from. Thanks again for the replies!!

The difference between "ball touches" and "is legally touched" has to do with which one is the active party.

Example: A player is touched by the ball when it bounces off their back when they don't see it coming...or bounces off their leg/foot but it is not a kick.

A player touches the ball when they intentionally make contact with the ball.

[Raymond]

As posted in another thread you need to remember that a AP throw-in is not the same as a throw-in.