Come to game in uniform....or not?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There are a lot of things not forbidden that I will never do. I do not need a requirement to choose to do what is right or to do what looks the best. You can do whatever you want and look any way you choose to.

And as someone said you will work games. The kind of games or where you work games might be another issue. And if you can live with that then that is up to you. I know what I am going to do and what I will look like. And I am not coming to a game in my uniform. They better find a place to put me, because that is not going to be worn in the winter and mess it up so I look like a slob before the game starts.

Peace

Why the attitude, Rut? I thought we had agreed earlier that if it's ok with everyone local, it's ok, period. I wear what I wear and work varsity as much as anybody here. You want to tell me what you will do, what is right, and what looks best. Fine. Move down here and see how you get along. I believe you have stated that you choose not to work girls games or lower level games. Your privilege. You can sit at home, patting yourself on the back about your neat wardrobe, because you will get no games at all.

[Shades of Gray]

If any of you guys on the forum could see how JAR dressed in real life, you would be thankful he comes to the games in his uniforms.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Shades of Gray

If any of you guys on the forum could see how JAR dressed in real life, you would be thankful he comes to the games in his uniforms.

+1

Unprofessional doesn't even scratch the surface.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by just another ref

+1

Unprofessional doesn't even scratch the surface.

OK, I confess I'm imagining something along these lines:

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

OK, I confess I'm imagining something along these lines:

Solution to the belt thing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Solution to the belt thing.

Three options: Belted, beltless, or suspenders? I would assume that the suspenders have to be all black?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Three options: Belted, beltless, or suspenders? I would assume that the suspenders have to be all black?

Unless you use the grey shirts....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Why the attitude, Rut? I thought we had agreed earlier that if it's ok with everyone local, it's ok, period. I wear what I wear and work varsity as much as anybody here. You want to tell me what you will do, what is right, and what looks best. Fine. Move down here and see how you get along. I believe you have stated that you choose not to work girls games or lower level games. Your privilege. You can sit at home, patting yourself on the back about your neat wardrobe, because you will get no games at all.

I am just telling you what I am going to do and represent. It does not matter where I would live; I am not going to a game looking like a slob, just as I would not do the same on a date or a job interview. Where I live does not change that fact or how professional I would dress.

Also do not try to muddy the water of this conversation about girl's and lower level games. I do not get asked to work those games. And we are not slaves to associations like many here seem to be, we are independent contractors and treated as such.

We have over 6000 basketball officials state wide, they do not need the same officials to work lower level games that work varsity and college games. Lower level games are training grounds for officials to get experience and to be evaluated, not to have some big time veteran to take up a slot that a newer and lesser experienced official can fill and learn this craft. What I wear has nothing to do with what games I would have to work. Unless you have a rule that forbids wearing beltless pants or wearing a specific shirt than I think I would be OK. And since I do not know where to buy a pair of belted pants that I would even like the quality of, I think I would not be looking to wear them anytime soon, so I still would be good.


Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It does not matter where I would live;

Also do not try to muddy the water of this conversation about girl's and lower level games. I do not get asked to work those games.

Not that uncommon, but you kinda missed the point.

Here, I like the way things are put in perspective. Performance is everything.
Seniority and experience are a lot. Appearance is a consideration, but I think it would have to be shockingly bad to alter one's assignments.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not that uncommon, but you kinda missed the point.

Here, I like the way things are put in perspective. Performance is everything.
Seniority and experience are a lot. Appearance is a consideration, but I think it would have to be shockingly bad to alter one's assignments.

And you are missing my point. I would look the part regardless of what the local standard are or are not. And that would have to do with my feelings, not what someone that hires me always thinks. Not everything is done for an assignment. Most of it is done for my personal credibility.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And you are missing my point. I would look the part regardless of what the local standard are or are not. And that would have to do with my feelings, not what someone that hires me always thinks. Not everything is done for an assignment. Most of it is done for my personal credibility.

Peace

There are many ways to improve one's credibility. I consider the ability to spell and type to be more important than a certain kind of pants.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There are many ways to improve one's credibility. I consider the ability to spell and type to be more important than a certain kind of pants.

Considering what we do is not "measurable" like a lot of things in life, we are judged on many things based on perception. The pants are only one part of that. A lot of other things in how we look matter too. Even as something as if your pants are ironed and creased matter to whether you are professional and look like you care. And if you do not think it does, sit in the stands with someone that evaluates officials and one of the first things that are talked about are what you look like physically and in your uniform.

Peace

[Adam]

I think one thing that's missing here is a lot of times the things that make up the first impression aren't thought about. It may be subconscious, but it doesn't make it less real.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

....sit in the stands with someone that evaluates officials and one of the first things that are talked about are what you look like physically and in your uniform.

Obviously, that would be one of the first things talked about, because that is the first thing they would see. But I would think (hope) that what they see later would often overshadow uniform issues, whether positive or negative.

"That guy looks sharp, but it's obvious he has never called at this level."

"That guy looks like he slept in that uniform, but he sure knows what he's doing."

I would rather not be either of those, but I'd rather be the second than the first.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And since I do not know where to buy a pair of belted pants that I would even like the quality of

This. What official's supply store even sells belted pants these days?